While your research into the governance of city light poles was thorough, I think you have some misconceptions about Lou Engle and The Call. Statements issued by Lou of his ignorance regarding the Uganda bill can be found. He was unaware of the bill; but knowing the Call and the character of Lou, he would have continued with the event rather than cancel it as such violence would only speak of further evil forces attempting to distort the truth of God. While he definitely doesn't condone homosexuality, he does NOT speak a message of violence or of hate. Even while reading other sites, I can see where they're drawing lines they could only draw if they haven't sat down to talk with the man himself. Furthermore, if you ever get the chance to MEET Lou Engle, you will find that he is very much talking about warring the spiritual rather than the physical sense.
i will admit this: he has a very staunch view regarding homosexuality; however, he also desires for Christians to love the community rather than vilifying them. While it's arguable how effective it can be to both love the person but despise what they do [though, i believe that anyone with a "prodigal" relative can relate, though I don't think that even this is a proper analogy to the love Christians are called to show EVERY human being], I believe after listening to Engle speak and attending The Call itself that he is not hoping to incite physical violence or hate. If anything, he speaks against that [though, personally, I wish that this would be more of a major point/ highlight in The Call than previous years due to the growing discomfort and concern between the homosexual and Christian community [divided for the sake of argument-- I know not all lines are this black and white to some]].
He also DOES talk about martyrdom but not in the sense that most would take it. He means very seriously the laying down of one's life to follow Christ, no matter if that means garnering hate, physical attack, or even death-- martyrdom in the sense of many of the Catholic saints and early Christians and even Christians today. The juxtaposition of this martyrdom to the "violent warring of the spirit" is what confuses most people. And admittedly, we've all been taught to think that such language is bizarre, extreme, and likely unhinged. The proactive violence which a great deal of the media is seeking to connect this martyrdom is NOT the same violence Lou is calling Christians to; rather, and you'll hear this as a major theme in his speaking, it's for Christians to pray as if their prayer is a sword and for them to refuse spiritual defeat any longer by secular influences around them.
I'm not excusing the signs or attempting to invalidate your argument in any way; your arguments are completely valid and very well-made. In many ways, this does toe if not cross what most would term as the "church-state" line. However, I think that adding to possible offense and indignation regarding that line with misinformation is not helpful to ANY one-- it just increases hate. And after reading SEVERAL sites that do not completely check their facts or biases or draw connections that are insubstantial if one takes a serious moment to ask hard questions... I fear not what The Call can do or what our city CANNOT do but instead how much we allow our modern media to dictate what we believe to be true-- we follow it with such a blind faith (even Internet sources we research) that, regardless of religion, it's as if we're in a cult.
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While your research into the governance of city light poles was thorough, I think you have some misconceptions about Lou Engle and The Call. Statements issued by Lou of his ignorance regarding the Uganda bill can be found. He was unaware of the bill; but knowing the Call and the character of Lou, he would have continued with the event rather than cancel it as such violence would only speak of further evil forces attempting to distort the truth of God. While he definitely doesn't condone homosexuality, he does NOT speak a message of violence or of hate. Even while reading other sites, I can see where they're drawing lines they could only draw if they haven't sat down to talk with the man himself. Furthermore, if you ever get the chance to MEET Lou Engle, you will find that he is very much talking about warring the spiritual rather than the physical sense. i will admit this: he has a very staunch view regarding homosexuality; however, he also desires for Christians to love the community rather than vilifying them. While it's arguable how effective it can be to both love the person but despise what they do [though, i believe that anyone with a "prodigal" relative can relate, though I don't think that even this is a proper analogy to the love Christians are called to show EVERY human being], I believe after listening to Engle speak and attending The Call itself that he is not hoping to incite physical violence or hate. If anything, he speaks against that [though, personally, I wish that this would be more of a major point/ highlight in The Call than previous years due to the growing discomfort and concern between the homosexual and Christian community [divided for the sake of argument-- I know not all lines are this black and white to some]]. He also DOES talk about martyrdom but not in the sense that most would take it. He means very seriously the laying down of one's life to follow Christ, no matter if that means garnering hate, physical attack, or even death-- martyrdom in the sense of many of the Catholic saints and early Christians and even Christians today. The juxtaposition of this martyrdom to the "violent warring of the spirit" is what confuses most people. And admittedly, we've all been taught to think that such language is bizarre, extreme, and likely unhinged. The proactive violence which a great deal of the media is seeking to connect this martyrdom is NOT the same violence Lou is calling Christians to; rather, and you'll hear this as a major theme in his speaking, it's for Christians to pray as if their prayer is a sword and for them to refuse spiritual defeat any longer by secular influences around them. I'm not excusing the signs or attempting to invalidate your argument in any way; your arguments are completely valid and very well-made. In many ways, this does toe if not cross what most would term as the "church-state" line. However, I think that adding to possible offense and indignation regarding that line with misinformation is not helpful to ANY one-- it just increases hate. And after reading SEVERAL sites that do not completely check their facts or biases or draw connections that are insubstantial if one takes a serious moment to ask hard questions... I fear not what The Call can do or what our city CANNOT do but instead how much we allow our modern media to dictate what we believe to be true-- we follow it with such a blind faith (even Internet sources we research) that, regardless of religion, it's as if we're in a cult.