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ChristineL 2010-03-13T20:55:08Z Peter comment-19821 2009-12-24T10:55:55Z 2009-12-24T10:55:55Z Pepper spray can help you in your personal defense, but remember these things: - Pepper spray comes in mechanical devices and can fail - Pepper spray can be taken from you and used against you - You should not rely on pepper spray as your only form of self-defense; take a self-defense class Peter 2009-12-24T10:55:55Z Abriss comment-19755 2009-12-23T10:54:29Z 2009-12-23T10:54:29Z CUP Rule in Diyarbekir Province, 1913-1923 : Uğur Ümit Üngör Ugur Umit Ungor University of Amsterdam, Department of History Masterâ??s thesis â??Holocaust and Genocide Studiesâ?? June 2005 2.1 Mobilization and war The Committee of Union and Progress had not remained idle in Diyarbekir province before the war. The first CUP office in Diyarbekir was opened on 23 July 1908 by Ziyâ Gökalp, who after all was a native of the region, and also was its representative in the partyâ??s Central Commitee.159 Gökalp began publishing the newspaper Peyman, which adopted a relatively modest tone and emphasized coexistence of the various Ottoman subjects.160 After the catastrophic defeats of the Balkan wars, the atmosphere changed as relations polarized. The CUP dictatorship exerted its influence in this province through a network of mainly Kurdish members. The most influential CUP members in Diyarbekir were those related to the wealthy and powerful Kurdish Pirinççizâde dynasty, who owned large estates in the province, including the rice fields west of Diyarbekir city.161 One of their kinsmen was deputy Aziz Feyzi (1879-1933), who was known for his coarseness and fanatic patriotism. He was the son of Pirinççizâde Arif, who passed away in 1909 and had adhered to the Kurdish Assistance and Progress Society (see page 30). According to a German report Feyzi had undertaken a study trip to Germany in 1911.162 On behalf of many other Kurdish notables, he vehemently protested in the Ottoman parliament against the proposed government plan of expropriating Kurdish landowners. Feyzi was a CUP hardliner. He had held fierce and hostile discussions with Armenian member of parliament Vartkes Serengulian (1871-1915) in which he accused Vartkes of sinister Armenian separatist revolutionary designs.163 He became more and more fanatic in his anti-Armenian emotions, and reportedly had Ohannes Kazazian, (...) http://www.ermenisoykirimi.net/thesis.pdf Abriss 2009-12-23T10:54:29Z HonestAbe comment-19278 2009-12-15T02:38:28Z 2009-12-15T02:38:28Z It is a scoundrel or a fool who plays at child's games while the world burns with turmoil. It would appear that this convocation was abundant in both. HonestAbe 2009-12-15T02:38:28Z Tina Armour comment-19106 2009-12-10T20:09:23Z 2009-12-10T20:09:23Z Eve, Coco, Angel, A Bay Bay, Leah, Suzie, Smoochie, Bo, Bear, Gracie, Penny, Whisper, Bubbles, Jed, Harry Potter, Captain Hook, Bullet, and Eve have all been adopted! Thank you so much to everyone for making a difference in these animals lives!! Tina Armour 2009-12-10T20:09:23Z Tina Armour comment-18604 2009-12-03T00:48:48Z 2009-12-03T00:48:48Z Fluff, Puff, Frisky, Jimmy, Socks, Butterscotch, Twinkle, and Basil have all been adopted!! Tia, A510077, Jolene, Flora, Faye and Puppy 511092 are still available and Muff, 510725, 510347 and Everton, have unfortunately been euthanized. Thank you to everyone who adopted one of these amazing animals!! Keep making a difference it is truly appreciated!! Tina Armour 2009-12-03T00:48:48Z Tina Armour comment-18239 2009-11-24T22:06:10Z 2009-11-24T22:06:10Z The puppy mentioned in the article named Ears has been adopted! =) Tina Armour 2009-11-24T22:06:10Z bbbbmer comment-18166 2009-11-24T02:00:04Z 2009-11-24T02:00:04Z I admire Amy Goodman very much. Her DEMOCRACY NOW newscast is perhaps the best cable news available, though only through access media. However, when she has interviewed Ralph Nader, whom she and others of her news team seem to lionize, she never asked questions about his influence on the outcome of the 2000 election, that sent our nation into eight years of its darkest historic chapter. For me, this was at least intellectually dishonest, and I wrote to her about it, for to dodge this line of inquiry in light of its contributory effect on that watershed election's outcome, was to deny her role as reporter, dispassionate about those standing in front of her even though they may have similar political sensibilities, particularly with regard to such a salient issue. That being said, DEMOCRACY NOW is about as clear and understated a news gathering organization as can be hoped for. It lacks the media panache of Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow, who are also amazingly articulate and forthright news presenters and reporters, but Amy Goodman's broadcast is must see TV for all concerned about the pertinent events of the day that affect the lives of workaday people of modest means, including labor and poverty issues, and the nepharious political backstory that MSM just diverts attention away from... In that regard, she is a great American... bbbbmer 2009-11-24T02:00:04Z Laura Good comment-18110 2009-11-22T17:02:34Z 2009-11-22T17:02:34Z It breaks my heart that there are so many homeless animals. Thank you for posting this article--I hope it helps find homes for some of these sweeties! Laura Good 2009-11-22T17:02:34Z SherryD comment-18108 2009-11-22T06:05:16Z 2009-11-22T06:05:16Z Hi We are getting along very well. I am very happy I adopted her. SherryD 2009-11-22T06:05:16Z scott trujillo comment-18105 2009-11-22T04:04:33Z 2009-11-22T04:04:33Z It was a great party. Our biggest so far! Special thanks to the March of Dimes and all the volunteers. Watch out for more pics at Sacramento magazine's Facebook page and our site in the coming weeks. scott trujillo 2009-11-22T04:04:33Z Sherrie Tyler comment-18103 2009-11-22T01:11:53Z 2009-11-22T01:11:53Z Well written and fabulous pictures! Sherrie Tyler 2009-11-22T01:11:53Z Stephanie Rodriguez comment-18101 2009-11-21T23:01:09Z 2009-11-21T23:01:09Z Was this what was going on at the memorial..wait..no..cause that was last night. haha, nevermind. Anyways, this story was really awesome, i love all the pictures that accompany it, great job. Stephanie Rodriguez 2009-11-21T23:01:09Z John Boyer comment-18083 2009-11-21T16:16:03Z 2009-11-21T16:16:03Z The Sacramento Bike Kitchens good works landed us in this lot. Our title was "best kitchen without an oven" Thank you Sacramento Magazine for the opportunity to get our message out. John Boyer 2009-11-21T16:16:03Z visualwest comment-17965 2009-11-19T03:15:47Z 2009-11-19T03:15:47Z Goodtimes, we should have more events of this magnitude in Sac. Good work Megan! visualwest 2009-11-19T03:15:47Z Tina Armour comment-17804 2009-11-16T05:05:20Z 2009-11-16T05:05:20Z Photos courtesy of Anthony Bento. For more photos visit anthonybento.com Tina Armour 2009-11-16T05:05:20Z Dussardier comment-17790 2009-11-14T20:52:57Z 2009-11-14T20:52:57Z "The idea that the Armenians killed 500k Turks is another Turkish fabrication." No, it is just the addition of the documents where the number of victims is mentioned: http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/source.cms.docs/devletarsivleri.gov.tr.ce/docs/Yayinlar/35_ermenisoykirim_1.pdf http://www.devletarsivleri.gov.tr/source.cms.docs/devletarsivleri.gov.tr.ce/docs/Yayinlar/36_ermenisoykirim_2.pdf The correct figure of Turks/Kurds/other Muslims killed by Armenian guerilla and Armenian volunteers is higher. Moreover, these Armenians killed at least 13,000 Jews: 10,000 in Anatolia and 3,000 in Caucasus. Dussardier 2009-11-14T20:52:57Z Dussardier comment-17789 2009-11-14T20:49:27Z 2009-11-14T20:49:27Z "1.The Armenian genocide is the 2nd most studied Genocide ever!" Scholars like Gwynne Dyer and Xavier de Planhol noticed that the huge majority of litterature about the so-called "Armenian genocide" has no value, since it is propaganda, not serious studies. "2. There are over 40,000 pages in our US archives depicting in real time the systematic Armenian extermination." Allegation without proof. The Niles-Sutherland report, who is a very important US document, since the authors investigated in Eastern Anatolia (unlike Morgenthau) is surely not "depictin the systematic extermination of Armenians": http://louisville.edu/a-s/history/turks/Niles_and_Sutherland.pdf "3.Just Wikipedia it to get the facts at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide" Wow! An article written by anonymous Armenians. "4. The International Association of Genocide Scholars already deemed it classic genocide." The more concise response was made by Prof. Guenter Lewy: 'I am less than impressed by the unanimous vote of the International Association of Genocide Scholars that the Armenian case “was one of the major genocides of the modern era.' The great majority of these self-proclaimed experts on Ottoman history have never set foot in an archive or done any other original research on the subject in question." "5. The man who invented the word 'Genocide" Rafael Lemkin, did so because of the Armenians." Lemkin does not even mention one time the Armenians in the book were he created the word "genocide", i.e. "Axis Rule in Occupied Europe", Washington, 1944. He called the Armenian case "genocide" few times, after he changed his definition of genocide: he wanted to include the destruction of political groups; so, when UN decided to chose a definition for "genocide", Lemkin failed. "6. 22 countries call it the Armenian genocide." Less than 22, in fact. Anyway, history is not the business of politicians, especially the politicians reelected thanks to Armenian nationalists, like some Californian and Lyon's lawmakers. Dussardier 2009-11-14T20:49:27Z Dussardier comment-17788 2009-11-14T20:37:07Z 2009-11-14T20:37:07Z Armenian National Committee, mentioned in this article, is an arm of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF-Dashnak). The passionately pro-Armenian Christopher Walker writes, in "Armenia. The Survival of a Nation", London, Routledge, 1990, p. 357: "Nevertheless there remains the incontestable fact that relations between the Nazis and Dashnaks living in the occupied areas were close and active. On 30 December 1941 an Armenian battalion was created by a decision of the Wehrmacht, known as the 'Armenian 812th Battalion'. It was commanded by Dro, and was made up of a small number of committed recruits, and a larger number of Armenians from the prisoners of war taken by the Nazis in their sweep eastwards. Early on the total number was 8,000; this number later grew to 20,000. The 812th Battalion was operational in the Crimea and the North Caucasus. A year later, on 15 December 1942, an 'Armenian National Council' was granted official recognition by Alfred Rosenberg, the German minister of the occupied areas. The 'Council' 's president was Professor Ardashes Abeghian, its vice-president Abraham Giulkhandanian, and it numbered among its members Nzhdeh and Vahan Papazian. From that date until the end of 1944 it published a weekly journal, Armenien, edited by Viken Shant (the son of Levon), who also broadcast on Radio Berlin." Dro was exiltrated by the ARF in 1944, and deceased in USA. He remained the most important ARF's leader until his death. His corpse was sent to a mausolee paid by US Dashnaks in Armenia, in 2000. The Lebanese branch of the ARF organized in 2007 a ceremony entirely devoted to Dro's memory. A chapter of the ARF in France, in Lyon's suburd, is called "Dro". So, is it really a good idea to invite an ARF member in a discussion about "genocide" issue? Dussardier 2009-11-14T20:37:07Z AnotherAmerican comment-17787 2009-11-14T19:18:21Z 2009-11-14T19:18:21Z Unable to defend their position by presenting the facts, Armenian Propagandists ALWAYS launch vicious, libelous PERSONAL attacks against their ideological opponents such as the one above by "hopper1915". Anyone who disagrees with them is labeled a "Genocide Denier" or "Genocide Denialist". Such hollow tactics are rejected by intelligent independent thinkers. Turks do not deny the deaths of the Armenians. They only object to the use of the "genocide" label in describing them - and with good reason. The complex circumstances surrounding the 1915 events in Eastern Anatolia are completely different from the events leading up to the Nazi Holocaust. In Europe there is a well documented history of Religious hatred toward Jews in the centuries before the Holocaust but there is no history of Turks hating Armenians in the centuries leading up to 1915. The "pages" in the "US archives" document a series of tragic events - not a "genocide": the insistence on the "genocide" label for those events comes from Armenian Propagandists. The pages of history show other motives for the tragic events that occurred. Wikipedia is notoriously unreliable; it is common to see Armenian Propagandists appealing to it as an authority. There is a long list of Authoritative Recognized Western Historians who reject the "genocide" label for these events. AnotherAmerican 2009-11-14T19:18:21Z reptillycus comment-17711 2009-11-13T08:48:55Z 2009-11-13T08:48:55Z Hi Sherry, thanks for adopting Taffy. I'm a volunteer at Happy Tails, and hope that you two are getting along well. Taffy is a sweetheart... reptillycus 2009-11-13T08:48:55Z mustafaka comment-17658 2009-11-12T17:15:36Z 2009-11-12T17:15:36Z *The report of Pallavici, İstanbul ambassador of Austria-Hungary, sent to Ottokor Grafen Czernin on February 9, 1918: ‘’The Armenian guerrillas (bands) who fought nearby the Russian armies in Caucausia, misbehaved the Turkish people and Turks in Platana (district between Erzincan and Trabzon) were mass killed’ (German Archives of the Foreign Ministry, No: 13/P.B, Konstantinopel. Wien). *English Marshal Allenby stated that when they beat the Turks in Şam, there were 8000 Armenian soldiers who were fighting together with them (The New Near East Vol 6, No:7: Genel No: 31, January 1920, p.28) *The report of Pallavici, İstanbul ambassador of Austria-Hungary, sent to Ottokor Grafen Czernin on February 9, 1918: ‘’The Armenian guerrillas (bands) who fought nearby the Russian armies in Caucausia, misbehaved the Turkish people and Turks in Platana (district between Erzincan and Trabzon) were mass killed’ (German Archives of the Foreign Ministry, No: 13/P.B, Konstantinopel. Wien). *English Marshal Allenby stated that when they beat the Turks in Şam, there were 8000 Armenian soldiers who were fighting together with them (The New Near East Vol 6, No:7: Genel No: 31, January 1920, p.28) Now I want to ask the Armenian diaspora: ‘If all the scholars of the world, including the international scholars of genocide, support your thesis of genocide, then WHY HAVE YOU SPENT THIS EFFORT TO FALSIFY ALL THESE DOCUMENTS? WHY HAVE YOU NEEDED LIES? WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF DOCUMENTS SO MUCH? What is the reason of your strict resistance to present your thesisin historical commissions made up of historians from both sides and other countries? What kind of a truth are you seeking? The one which exists or the one you want to imagine? And I want to ask the world opinion: Your sensitivity to condemn genocides, mass murders is appreciable. But while doing this, are you ready to be unbiased? Will you be able to discard all the prejudices the history has instilled you up till now? Will you be able to prefer scholar research rather than your prejudices? Will you be able to acknowledge the great massacres inflicted on the Turks and Muslims by the Armenians before and after 1915? Will you be able to condemn the Armenians who slaughtered the Turks and Muslims and buried them into large holes and even threw alive children into these holes in the Eastern Anatolia?(see diary of Russian Lieutenant Colonel Twerdo-Khlebof 'I wittnessed and I Lived Through Erzurum, 1917-1918'; www.tsk.mil.tr/ermeni_sorunu/arsiv_belgeleriyle...). (Ahmet Refik Altınay. İki Komite ve İki Kıtal. İstanbul, 1919;p.71-72; 321-23). So, I am afraid, it is actually you the world opinion who faces a big examination! mustafaka 2009-11-12T17:15:36Z mustafaka comment-17657 2009-11-12T17:13:32Z 2009-11-12T17:13:32Z According to the Armenians the speech had been introduced as evidence to the Nuremberg Tribunal (L3 document, USA-28 document (www/cwporter/com/gl3.htm.) which was defined as ‘forgery’ (David Irving, ‘Nuremberg: The Last Battle’, 1996, p.100). A certificate dated, 25 June 1948 signed by Paul A Joosten, General Secretary of the International Military Tribunal states that L3, USA-28 Photostat document submitted as evidence has been withdrawn, in accordance with Rule 10 of the Tribunal but held in the National Archives. Mr Carlos Porter, who found these documents made the following important warning: ‘’Note: This translation attempts to retain the style and punctuation of the original, which is not correct in German: full space before colons and commas, no full space before following word. The document contains not one single sharp S (§ ) a standard letter in the German alphabet. C.Porter. 8) The most dramatic lie is about the outcome of the Armenians who were relocated. Because the majority of these Armenians returned to their homes. Because, on December 18, 1918, a law which let the Armenians return to their homes and claim their properties was issued by the Ottoman State. Here are non-Ottoman evidences: *In a report prepared by the Armenian Patriarchate in 1921, the Armenians who lived on the Ottoman territory in Anatolia, Middle East and those who returned to their previous locations were shown as 644 900. It was added that the Armenians who became Muslim, who were hidden and who did not encourage to return their homes were not included but they were assumed to be 20 000 (US ARCHIVES NARA, Mikrofilm No.T1192, Roll8; Department of State Papers….,860). *In an article published in Der Neue Orient Magazine, it was reported that the number of Armenians in Ottoman Armenia was thought to be 470 000 (including those who lived in İzmir and İstanbul but excluding the Armenians who escaped to Caucasia). Additionally more than 30 000 Armenians lived in Adana and 40 000 in Aleppo (Der Neue Orient May 1919, p.178) *The Armenian population in Cilicia (Çukurova) was reported as 218 000 in a document dated July 1920 (US ARCHIVES NARA, Mikrofilm No: T 1192R 2;860J.01/395. Appendix. From Acting High Commissioner Dulles to the Foreign Minister). * In a memorandum presented by Bogos Nubar Pasha, chief of the Armenian delegation in Paris Conference which started in December 1918, it was announced that 150 000 Armenians were given financial support and taken to Cilicia from Syria, by the French government (US ARCHIVES NARA T1192. Roll 4.860J.01/431). *In a report presented to American Congress by Near East Relief (NER) dated December 31, 1921, it was reported that nearly 300 000 Armenians returned to Cilicia and they were protected by France and England. …However the poor Armenians had to escape after the French abandoned the region (US ARCHIVES NARA T1192. Roll 4.860J.01/431 and US ARCHIVES NARA M353 Roll 55. Report of the NER to the Congress for the year ending). And here are evidences about the Armenians who returned to their houses: These Armenians cooperated with the French and English armies and fought in these armies individually wearing their uniforms. Here are archive evidences: *Boghos Nubar Pasha: ‘In 1919 and 1920, when the Kemalists attacked to the French soldiers, the Armenians made war for France in Maraş, Haçin, Pozantı and Sis. The French succeeded to take back Antep, by the help of the Armenians. Therefore, the Armenians are an ally of France’ (USARCHIVES NARA T1192. Roll 4.860J.01/431). *A decision made by The American Committee for the Independence of Armenia which was presented to the Lausanne Conference on January 16, 1923: ‘As the minister Bellet declared, the Armenian legionelles (lejyonerler) joined to France after being promised that autonomy would be introduced to Cilicia and therefore they occupied Cilicia in 1918 (carrying the flag of France) . (US ARCHIVES NARA T1192. Roll 4. 860J.01/562). *A list of the Armenians who fought in the French Army and died had been displayed under the title of ‘The Armenians who died for France’. In the list, the cities where these soldiers were born were also stated and nearly all of them were Ottoman Armenians (http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Palais/2230/ww2.html) *’The Armenians informed the Allies that they would establish an army of 150 000 soldiers and attempt to establish an independent Armenia in the east (From Berlin November 6, 1917; vorzulegen z.G.K.:W.L.R.Nadolny. German Archives of the Foreign Ministry, Bd.48,R.14097, No.7169). *’ Armenians massacred many Turks, in the district of Erzincan and surroundings where the Russian retreated’ (The telegram sent by Kühlmann, German ambassador of İstanbul to German Foreign Ministry. German Archives of the Foreign Ministry, Bd. 47, R.14096, No.7165, No.591). mustafaka 2009-11-12T17:13:32Z mustafaka comment-17656 2009-11-12T17:11:57Z 2009-11-12T17:11:57Z 5) Atatürk’s photograph: The large poster with ‘FACE OF DENIAL-DOES NOT LIE’ related to a conference given by Dr Vahram Shemmasian, Ardashes Kassakhian and Dr Levon Marashlian, at UCLA on April 14, 2005, organized by Armenian Genocide Commemoration Committee of Alpha Epsilon Omega, (http://www.genocideevents.com/cities/losangeles.html. The photo depicts the founder of the Turkish Republic, Ataturk, sitting on a chair outside a house with the corpse of a young girl with her innards exposed to the elements. Soon, the original of this photo was found by the Turks: It was a photograph of Ataturk for his wife Latife Hanım as a souvenir, posing with some ‘cute dog puppies’ at his feet. Two photos were printed in the July 1, 2005 issue of Hurriyet (http://webarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/2005/07/01/665930.asp), as ‘a forgery scandal’. It is another outstanding point that no dissenting comments were ever heard. What UCLA’s ethical committee did was to erase the handwritten note and doctor a photo of Armin Wengler in place of the puppies. 6) Falcified allegations of speeches attributed to Atatürk: The first claim about Atatürk was that he was one of the witnesses, who supported Armenians in the “Court Martials” in İstanbul. In this claim, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was confused with the Chairman of the “Court Martials”, Mustafa Kemal, whose nickname was Nemrud. During the trials in İstanbul, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was in Ankara as a leader of the national struggle. James H. Tashjian, the Armenian editor of the Armenian periodic ‘The Armenian Review’ stated that Mustafa Kemal, then a Pasha, never appeared before such a tribunal, nor did he render such a statement (The Armenian Weekly Boston, Mass, USA, March 20, 1982 and The Armenian Review Volume thirty five, Autumn 1982); however James H. Tashjian was fired from his work later on. The second claim was about the statement, which attributed to Atatürk, given to Los Angeles Examiner in 1926. However, it was proven that this claim, which was made by Armenians in various platforms, was false. There was no evidence that a Swiss journalist, who was called Emile Hilderband, came to Turkey. Moreover, it was not found a journalist named Hilderband in the documents of Swiss authorities. The third claim about Atatürk was put forward in Yeni Binyıl newspaper on 8 October 2000. According to this claim in his speech in Turkish Grand National Assembly, on 24th of April 1920, Atatürk condemned the leaders of Jön Turks for their genocide policies. After the research of the speech records of Turkish Grand National Assembly in both open and secret sessions, it was proven that Mustafa Kemal did not make such speech. One of the last claims about Atatürk was put forward by European Parliament, Foreign Affairs Committee’s report on Turkey on 22nd of November 2001. In the footnote of this report claimed that Mustafa Kemal gave a speech in Turkish Grand National Assembly on 10th of April 1921, in which he said Jön Turk regime followed genocide policy against Armenians in the First World War. After the research of the speech reports of Turkish Grand National Assembly, it was seen that Mustafa Kemal did not speak in Turkish Grand National Assembly in April 1920. He even did not attend any session of Assembly during April 1920. 7) A quote attributed to Adolf Hitler in which he purportedly responded to a query about his planned annihilation of European Jewry, by quipping: ‘Who, after all, speaks today of the extermination of the Armenians?’, on August 22, 1939, a few days prior to his invasion of Poland (Obersalzberg speeches). Contrary to Richard Hovannisian and other Armenians, the Nuremberg transcripts through their preservation of U.S.-29 (798-PS), U.S.-30 (1014-PS), and the notes of Admiral Boehm (which are corroborated by the relevant passages from the diary of General Halder), in no way authenticate the infamous Hitler quote. On the contrary, by establishing the actual texts of Hitler’s Obersalzberg speeches they demonstrate that the statement is conspicuously absent from Hitler’s remarks. The assertion that Hitler made a reference to the Armenians in any context whatsoever is without foundation. (Heath W Lowry, The U.S. Congress and Adolf Hitler on the Armenians, Political Communication and Persuasion. Vol 3, No 2, 1985 Crane, Russak & Company Inc. http://www.tetedeturc.com/home/spip.php?article565 mustafaka 2009-11-12T17:11:57Z mustafaka comment-17655 2009-11-12T17:09:58Z 2009-11-12T17:09:58Z ‘Armenian genocide thesis’ depends on forgeries, falsified documents and lies. Here are some of them: 1)The number of Armenians who were relocated: The number of the Armenians who were relocated was reported as 600-700 thousand by Bogos Nubar Pasha who attended to the talks of Sevres Treaty as a chief of Armenians; however the number of relocated Armenians is given as 1.5 million by some Armenian sources and 2 and even 2.5 million by some others. However, the total number of Ottoman Armenians including those who live in the West Anatolia (therefore who were not relocated) was reported as 1.5 million in Encyclopedia Britannica’s 1910 edition which was edited by an English editor. It is another striking point that the total number of Ottoman Armenians was increased to 2.5 million in 1953 edition of the same encyclopedia which was edited by an Armenian editor. 2) Aram Andonian’s book (The telegrams which were claimed to have been sent by Talat Pasha to order the massacre of the Armenians which were pressed in the book of Aram Andonian in 1920, in three languages): It was proven by both the Turkish and foreign historians that these telegrams were fake too. After these telegrams were published in Daily Telegraph in England, in 1922, the English Foreign Ministry made a scrutiny and denounced that they were prepared by an Armenian association. 3)Diary of American Ambassador Morgenthau published in 1918. Professor Heath Lowry, an American historian from Princeton University displayed that the events depicted in the book depended on lies or half true events, by comparing the information Ambassador Morgenthau sent to American Foreign Ministry, with those written in the diary, in his book entitled ‘The Story Behind Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story’, in 1990. What’s more, after the Ottoman State was defeated in the 1st World War in 1918, the French and English invaders arrested 144 high level Ottoman veteran or civil officials including the ex-prime ministers, ex-deputies, governors and many newspapermen, and banished them to Malta Island, claiming that they were responsibles for the death of Armenians. The English seized all the Ottoman Archives and also all other archives in other cities, like those in Urfa Governer House. No evidence could be found neither in the Ottoman and English Archives. The Americans, whom the English applied, failed to find any proof in American Archives and reports of American Orthodox church or missioners either. Nor could Damat Ferit Pasha, then the Ottoman Prime Minister who was in absolute collaboration with the English could find any evidence. And, they had to make all these 144 Ottomans free in 1921, since they could not find any proof to be able to verdict them. Can you imagine a genocide planned by a government but no kind of proof can be found, even when the members of this government have been taken prisoners and when all her archieves are under control of the invaders and under the directory of an Armenian official? If The Blue Book, the telegrams of Aram Andonian and the diary of Ambassador Morgenthau (which had already been published at that time) were reliable proofs, why did the English and French invaders and the Americans not accept them to give verdicts of those 144 Ottoman officials? Additionally, during the trial in Berlin of the Armenian assassin Soghomon Tehlirian, who had murdered Talat Pasha in Berlin on March 15th, 1921, none of the Andonian documents was allowed to be entered into the court proceedings as evidence (Dashnakists’ book Justicier du Genocide, 1981, p.213). 4)The cover photograph of the book of Tessa Hoffmann: German Greek scholar Tessa Hoffmann printed the painting of Russian artist Vasili Vereshchagin entitled ‘The Apotheosis of the Franco-Prussia War of 1871, depicting a mass of skulls which was probably painted after 1878, as if it were the photograph of 1915 Armenian genocide, in the cover of his book and had to admit his forgery during the trial of Doğu Perinçek held in Switzerland in March 2007, in which she was listened as a wittness. Note that Tessa Hoffman is one of the scholars of genocide of the Armenians. . mustafaka 2009-11-12T17:09:58Z Tina Armour comment-17614 2009-11-11T05:06:51Z 2009-11-11T05:06:51Z Jim, I attended Sac High and from my experience white students did not get beat up for their skin color. Tina Armour 2009-11-11T05:06:51Z Marion Millin comment-17611 2009-11-11T02:04:50Z 2009-11-11T02:04:50Z You've proven there's no point in trying to communicate with you. You're attacks are unacceptable. NOW you want to pretend to be reasonable? Marion Millin 2009-11-11T02:04:50Z The Parrhesiac comment-17607 2009-11-11T00:06:29Z 2009-11-11T00:06:29Z What was the point of your comment...on an article about genocide...??? Hmmm Marion? You complained about Sac High..which was a veiled attack on Johnson... you clearly have an unhealthy fixation with Johnson. And btw,...When was the last time that Sac High was diverse? Is being almost all one race diversity? When ever did the students at Sac High come together? I can tell you from direct experience that there was little to no coming together at Sac High prior to it being turned into a charter high school. White students were regularly beat up just because of the color of their skin...was that the kind of tolerance that you were speaking of? The "coming together?" Did you ever attend Sac High yourself? The Parrhesiac 2009-11-11T00:06:29Z Marion Millin comment-17605 2009-11-10T22:57:49Z 2009-11-10T22:57:49Z Jim Knapp, You don't know what you're talking about. You don't read, only spew. You've proven there's no point in trying to communicate with you. Your bonehead belligerence makes it appear you are "coming apart at the seems." You completely missed the point of my comment. You don't know what you're talking about. Go away. Marion Millin 2009-11-10T22:57:49Z The Parrhesiac comment-17588 2009-11-10T19:10:12Z 2009-11-10T19:10:12Z Get over it..its been almost a hundred years and you don't live in Turkey. Would you rather be there than in the United States? The Parrhesiac 2009-11-10T19:10:12Z hopper1915 comment-17584 2009-11-10T18:55:48Z 2009-11-10T18:55:48Z The idea that the Armenians killed 500k Turks is another Turkish fabrication. Since denial is the last phase of any genocide, the Turks in perfect denialist stance have to recreate their history to implement their amnesia on everyone who will listen but actually go a step further to demonize their victims. Again lets be clear: The only deniers of the Armenian Genocide ARE THE PERPETRATING TURKS AND A HAND FULL OF "PAID HISTORIANS". THAT'S IT! Also to be clear: the Turks murdered en mass the Pontiff Greeks and Assyrians during the Armenian Genocide. These mass murders were also recently deemed as "classic genocide" by the International Association of genocide Scholars. Turks are genocide perpetrators. They can hide behind the state department and a handful of corporations who profit from Armenian Genocide denial. But this will never go away without true justice. An open border isn't enough.There is no statute of limitations on mass murder. Armenians will never stop. hopper1915 2009-11-10T18:55:48Z hopper1915 comment-17582 2009-11-10T18:36:42Z 2009-11-10T18:36:42Z "Informed American" is Turkish Racist Armenian Genocide Denialist liar better known as Kirli-The-Clown. He claims to know the 'facts' of the Armenian genocide yet parrots the Turkish government denialist stance. Ironically it is against the law in Turkey to even speak of the Armenia genocide but yet he is sure of his 'facts'. Know this: TURKS ARE GENOCIDE PERPETRATORS. PERIOD! Turks owe the Armenians an apology and reperations. That is the only time real peace will happen. Real FACTS: 1.The Armenian genocide is the 2nd most studied Genocide ever! 2. There are over 40,000 pages in our US archives depicting in real time the systematic Armenian extermination. 3.Just Wikipedia it to get the facts at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide 4. The International Association of Genocide Scholars already deemed it classic genocide. 5. The man who invented the word 'Genocide" Rafael Lemkin, did so because of the Armenians. 6. 22 countries call it the Armenian genocide. 7. 42 States in the U.S. acknowledge it as the Armenian Genocide. hopper1915 2009-11-10T18:36:42Z Marion Millin comment-17575 2009-11-10T17:35:58Z 2009-11-10T17:35:58Z Another reason why depriving this most diverse city's central neighborhoods' of their traditional, comprehensive, public Sacramento High School -- which brought the diverse community together and built multi-cultural awareness for a lifetime -- is a crime. Marion Millin 2009-11-10T17:35:58Z InformedAmerican comment-17573 2009-11-10T16:33:54Z 2009-11-10T16:33:54Z In conclusion Turks and Armenian lived in peaceful co-existence under Turkish rule for almost a millennium. If the Armenians did not take up arms against their own government, attack their Muslim neighbors, and join the invading enemy armies, during a terrible war of survival of maotherland, nothing less, then that harmonious co-habitation would certainly continue at a “larger” scale today. Armenian claims of genocide cannot be substantiated by historical evidence which is why Armenians resort to falsifications, insults, defamations, political pressure, intimidation, and even terrorism. Armenian claims of ownership to lands where they once lived fly in the face of self-determination as the Armenians have always been a minority where they lived. Giving credence to a minority, at the expense of facts, rights, thoughts, feelings, traditions, and beliefs of a majority, would be to openly support apartheid, ethnic intolerance, and religious discrimination. The “kiss of life” offered by Turkey in the last protocol—totally undeserved by Armenia—may well be the very last chance for Armenia to exist as an independent, sovereign state. If Armenia insists on business as usual on the bogus genocide issue, ignores the above, cultivates hatred and aggression, and refuses to abandon military occupation of Azerbaijan, Armenia may well be relegated to a distant, obscure province of Russia simply by default. Turkey finds it much easier to deal with Russia, anyway, as both Turkey and Russia enjoy vast reservoirs of knowledge, deep-rooted traditions of conflict, negotiation and compromise, as well as centuries of experience in building nations, states, and empires. The Turkish-Armenian conflict is unfortunately turning into a matter of perceptions and prejudice, rather than facts and fairness, thanks in no part to the racist Armenian diaspora propaganda determined to demonize all things Turkish at any cost. Even the most educated writers and journalists, honest truth-seekers, and others, unable to appreciate the nuances between allegations and facts, seem to fall prey to the passion of partisan narratives, ... making peace appear more elusive and closure distant than ever. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:33:54Z InformedAmerican comment-17572 2009-11-10T16:33:36Z 2009-11-10T16:33:36Z Isn’t it time to stop fighting the First World War and give peace a real chance? Turkish-Americans are law-abiding, tax-paying, proud American citizens who are increasingly exercising their legal and democratic rights by participating in the election process. Defamatory remarks about Turkish-American involvement in the election process, as if it is some sort of illegal or unsavory activity to be feared, fly in the face of civil rights and freedom of speech of Turkish-Americans. After all, those very rights and freedoms are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution, not to be taken away by some Armenian fanatics promoting some bogus genocide with racist mass e-mails. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:33:36Z InformedAmerican comment-17570 2009-11-10T16:33:19Z 2009-11-10T16:33:19Z Three trials and all failed to prove trumped up charges by Armenians As you can see from the above, there were three trials; two of them showed clearly that it was not genocide and one produced some partisan victims of a Kangaroo court. Net result: All evidence, documents, facts categorically indicate that the TERESET order was just that, a temporary resettlement order, a wartime home security measure; not genocide... not even close if you fairly and honestly include the six T's of the conflict. Please note that the 1948 U.N. Convention on Genocide did not say historians could reach a genocide verdict; they could serve as expert witnesses but not as the judge and the jury. Same convention also did not say journalists, politicians, clergy, or others. They can all be heard but none are allowed to pass a genocide verdict, as none are equipped Or tasked) as legal experts to settle a dispute. Neither are Armenians or others. Legal experts prepare the playing field at a competent tribunal, separate fact from fiction in the archives, and then let the archives talk. Cross examinations follow. Verdict comes last. Until and unless there is a verdict by a competent tribunal, after due process, saying it is a genocide, no one can claim it was genocide. One can talk about all human suffering, mutual killings, raids, feuds, war crimes, hate crimes, and many other characterizations, BUT NOT GENOCIDE! InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:33:19Z InformedAmerican comment-17569 2009-11-10T16:32:59Z 2009-11-10T16:32:59Z The honest truth-seeker may be surprised to know that there were three separate trials (or attempts to try the Ottoman officials) during and after the WWI: 1) First one: 1915-1916 : More than 1000 Ottomans were tried for claims of abuse and misconduct during the TERESET (temporary resettlement) and some were found guilty and punished--some were given even capital punishment. This, ironically, proves that it was not genocide. After all, what government, intent on eradicating a minority group, would go to the trouble of trying 1000 of its own people in official and public courts due to claims that they had abused and/or harassed that minority? Would the Nazi regime try some Nazi officers because they mistreated the Jews? This alone shows that the Ottoman Empire meant TERESET as it was clearly written in many instructions: a temporary resettlement... a wartime home security measure. b) Second one: 1919-1920 Istanbul Trials: This was one Ottoman government trying the officials of the previous one, i.e. their political rivals, to settle some old scores while at the same time looking good to the foreign occupiers. This was clearly a Kangaroo court where hearsay, verbal claims, even newspaper articles were accepted as irrefutable evidence and the accused were not given proper chances to defend themselves (allowing no lawyers, or any right to preview or cross examine evidence, or produce own witnesses.) This court proves nothing other than a propaganda tool for the Armenian falsifiers and their fellow Turk Haters. Curiously, those court proceedings were "lost" after the trials. But how can that be? Weren't the efficient English occupying Istanbul and didn't they assign an Ottoman-Armenian in charge of the archives? And don't Armenians always claim that they safe keep documents dating back centuries? How can they suddenly "lose" documents of "Turks" who committed "genocide" on Armenians? Is this possible? Probable? Reasonable? As the British would say, "not bloody likely" (to be said with a stiff upper lip :) ) c) Third one: 1919-1921 Malta Tribunal, a stillborn court process. The Brits exiled top Ottoman officials, numbering 144 at its highest, to the island of Malta, under total British control, awaiting trials there. The crown prosecutor, probably embarrassed by the Kangaroo courts described above, looked for evidence high and low to prove claims of Armenians and others. They surely had access to the fake Talaat telegrams fabricated by Andonian. They knew about Toynbee's wartime propaganda book, the Blue Book, detailing the alleged atrocities allegedly committed by alleged Ottomans, and many more such "evidence". But the crown prosecutors declined to use each and every one of them. Why? After all, if these documents were true, they Malta Tribunal would come up with a genocide-like verdict (since the term did not exist in 1921) in no time. It would be an open-n-shut case. A slam dunk... But the crown prosecutors, to whom credit must be given here for their integrity and honesty, rejected all such propaganda tools and deceptions, disbanded the tribunal due to lack of evidence, and released all Ottoman officials without filing a single charge. This, to normal people, should have spelled the end of all genocide claims, right? But then, we are talking about Armenian nationalists, aren't we? Peopel to whom truth does not matter; only beliefs do. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:32:59Z InformedAmerican comment-17568 2009-11-10T16:32:40Z 2009-11-10T16:32:40Z 1948 U.N. Convention on Genocide The moment one uses the term genocide, one must refer to the 1948 U.N. Convention on Genocide, ratified by most nations by 1951. This convention defines the term in articles 1 and 2 and put forth the mechanism by which a genocide verdict may be reached in articles 3-6: by a competent tribunal after due process. Anything less than that is partisan propaganda, if not worse: lynching... People forget that according to the UN convention--which is the sole owner and trustee of this term and executor of its legal ramifications--not all suffering is genocide. Not all killings, claims, tales, "my-granma-told-me" stories, editorial, op-eds, academic papers, books, films automatically prove genocide. They can be parts and parcels of a well-oiled propaganda machine, a mass deception, a political campaign, and or others. The contents in these claims that that qualify as untainted truth can be classified under war crimes, hate crimes, personal or group offenses, and many other transgression that could all be sufficiently dealt with by the laws that had already existed in the books during WWI. The moment one utters the word "genocide", though, one enters a uniquely sensitive and precise territory where one needs a court verdict to substantiate a genocide claim. One cannot simply dismiss all this to say "Well, I redefine the term to fit my opinion, belief, gut feeling, or public consensus that so and so is genocide." History, but more importantly legal process, is not a matter of belief, gut feelings, opinions, or public consensus. They must be and are a matter of facts proven after due process at a competent tribunal. Armenians hopelessly lack this proof which is why they are trying to cover up for it with replacement tools: fabrications, forgeries, propaganda, defamation campaigns, political pressure, intimidation, harassment, and even terrorism. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:32:40Z InformedAmerican comment-17567 2009-11-10T16:32:21Z 2009-11-10T16:32:21Z No Turkish-Americans are denying suffering of the Armenians …but Turkish-American believe this suffering cannot be viewed as separate from the suffering of Ottoman Turks and others. We, the Turkish-Americans, are against selective morality which can be formulated as "Grieve for Armenian (or Christian) suffering but categorically reject and ignore Turkish (or Muslim) suffering". One does not exist in a vacuum totally devoid of the other, after all Turks and Armenians were engaged in an irregular warfare, a civil war, if you like. In all fairness, honesty, integrity, and decency, both pains, in fact, all pains of the era and area should be grieved with same compassion if closure is desired. Ottoman Muslims, mostly Turks, lost about 3 million souls during WWI; 524,000 of those can be traced and documented to have met their tragic end at the hands of well-armed and brutal Armenian revolutionaries. Armenians and their supporters never mention this fact because then their case of genocide is automatically refuted. We are, therefore, saying "Suffering? Yes, but for all; Genocide? No, not even close." InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:32:21Z InformedAmerican comment-17566 2009-11-10T16:32:02Z 2009-11-10T16:32:02Z History is not a matter of conviction, consensus, political resolutions, political correctness, or propaganda.” History is a matter of research, peer review, thoughtful debate, and honest scholarship. Even historians, by definition, cannot decide on a genocide verdict, which is reserved for a “competent court” with its legal expertise and due process. Lynch mentality among genocide-promoting-Armenians What we witness today amounts to lynching of the Turks by Armenians to satisfy the age old Armenian hate, bias, and bigotry. Values like fairness, presumption of innocence until proven guilty, objectivity, balance, honesty, and freedom of speech are stumped under the fanatic Armenian feet. Unprovoked , unjustified, and unfair defamation of Turkey, one of America’s closest allies in the troubled Middle East, in order to appease some nagging Armenian activists runs counter to American interests. Those who claim genocide verdict today, based on the much discredited Armenian evidence, are actually engaging in “conviction and execution without due process”, dictionary definition of “lynching”. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:32:02Z InformedAmerican comment-17565 2009-11-10T16:31:32Z 2009-11-10T16:31:32Z Armenian “allegations” of genocide also disregard the following: 1- Genocide is a legal, technical term precisely defined by the U.N. 1948 convention (Like all proper laws, it is not retroactive to 1915.) 2- Genocide verdict can only be given by a “competent court” after “due process” where both sides are properly represented and evidence mutually cross examined. 3- For a genocide verdict, the accusers must prove “intent” at a competent court and after due process. This could never be done by the Armenians whose evidence mostly fall into five major categories: hearsay, mis-representations, exaggerations, forgeries, and “other”. 4- Such a “competent court” was never convened in the case of Turkish-Armenian conflict and a genocide verdict does not exist (save a Kangaroo court in occupied Istanbul in 1920 where partisanship, vendettas, and revenge motives left no room for due process.) 5- Genocide claim is political, not historical or factual. It reflects bias against Turks. Therefore, the term genocide must be used with the qualifier “alleged”, for scholarly objectivity and truth. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:31:32Z InformedAmerican comment-17564 2009-11-10T16:31:09Z 2009-11-10T16:31:09Z Armenians find it easier to distort and misrepresent a true suffering of all peoples of Anatolia (not just Armenians) via media, academia, politics, religion, and other avenues where both information and opinions can be manipulated, molded, bought, or sold. Armenians deliberately exaggerate and falsify stories of human suffering and use it interchangeably with the term genocide, ignoring the fact that not all suffering is genocide. For a war crime to be genocide, the intent must be proven at a court of law. To date, not a single document has been unearthed in the Ottoman archives which substantiate Armenian claims. This led the Armenians to fabricate some, like the infamously fake telegrams of Talat forged by Andonian, the tall tales and bogus stories in Toynbee’s wartime propaganda book, the Blue Book, and more . All of this tainted propaganda material which the Armenians still use today were flatly and categorically rejected by the British crown prosecutors who refused to use them as evidence in the stillborn Malta Tribunal (1919-1921.) While some in unsuspecting public may be forgiven for taking the blatant and ceaseless Armenian propaganda at face value and believing Armenian falsifications merely because they are repeated so often, it is difficult and painful for us Turkish-Americans, the children of Turkish survivors of four wars between 1911-1922, Armenian revolts, treason and terrorism being present on most of those years, if not all. Those endless “War years” brought wide-spread death and destruction on to all Ottoman citizens. No Turkish family was left untouched. Those nameless, faceless Turkish victims are killed for a second time today with politically motivated and baseless charges of Armenian genocide today. Allegations of Armenian genocide are racist and dishonest history. They are racist because they ignore the Turkish dead: about 3 million during WWI; more than half a million of them at the hands of Armenian nationalists. And the allegations of Armenian genocide are dishonest because they simply dismiss the six T’s of the Turkish-Armenian conflict: 1) TUMULT (as in numerous Armenian armed uprisings between 1877 and 1921) 2) TERRORISM (by well-armed Armenian nationalists and militias victimizing Ottoman-Muslims between 1882-1920 and then again 1973 to current) 3) TREASON (Armenians joining the invading enemy armies as early as 1914 and lasting until 1921) 4) TERRITORIAL DEMANDS (where Armenians were a minority, not a majority, attempting to establish Greater Armenia, the would-be first apartheid of the 20th Century with a Christian minority ruling over a Muslim majority ) 5) TURKISH SUFFERING AND LOSSES (i.e. those caused by the Armenian nationalists: 524,000 Muslims, mostly Turks, met their tragic end at the hands of Armenian revolutionaries during WWI, per Turkish Historical Society. This figure is not to be confused with about 2.5 million Muslim dead who lost their lives due to non-Armenian causes during WWI. Grand total: more than 3 million, according to Prof. Justin McCarthy.) 6) TERESET (temporary resettlement) triggered by the first five T’s above and amply documented as such; not to be equated to the Armenian misrepresentations as genocide.) If one cherishes values like fairness, objectivity, truth, and honesty, therefore, one should use the term “Turkish-Armenian conflict”. Asking one “Do you accept or deny Armenian Genocide” simply shows anti-Turkish bias. The question should be re-phrased “What is your stand on the Turkish-Armenian conflict?” Turks believe it was an inter communal warfare mostly fought by Turkish and Armenian irregulars, a civil war which is engineered, provoked, and waged by the Armenian revolutionaries, with active support from Russia, England, France, and others, all eyeing the vast territories of the collapsing Ottoman Empire, against a backdrop of a raging world war. Armenians, on the other hand, totally ignoring Armenian agitation, raids, rebellions, treason, territorial demands, and Turkish victims killed by Armenians, unfairly and deceptively claim that it was a one way genocide. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:31:09Z InformedAmerican comment-17563 2009-11-10T16:30:15Z 2009-11-10T16:30:15Z Turks and Armenian lived in peaceful co-existence under Turkish rule for almost a millennium. If the Armenians did not take up arms against their own government, attack their neighbors, and join the invading enemy armies, during a war of survival, nothing less, then that harmonious co-habitation would still continue at a “larger” scale today. Armenian claims of genocide cannot be substantiated by historical evidence which is why Armenians resort to falsifications, insults, defamations, political pressure, intimidation, and even terrorism. Armenian claims of ownership to lands where they once lived fly in the face of self-determination as there Armenians have always been a minority where they lived. Giving credence to a minority, at the expense of rights, thought, feelings, traditions, and beliefs of a majority would be to openly support apartheid. Promoting a bogus genocide is akin to committing the crime of ethocide* (*) Ethocide: Systematic extermination of ethics via mass deception for political and other gain. Recent protocols signed by Turkey and Armenia stipulates the formation of a joints historians committee to study the events of 1915. The mere existence of such a suggestion, let alone its formations, and its acceptance by Armenia clearly shows that this issue is far from being settled history. Genocide is a claim, an unproven political claim violently promoted by the AFATH community (Armenian-Falsifiers-And-Turk-Haters). The effects of AFATH propaganda and intimidation can be seen in locations where Armenians are concentrated: Glendale, Fresno, Beirut, Lyon, Marseille… These locations also happen to be where Armenian terrorism has flourished (see a partial list of Armenian acts of terror at http://www.turkla.com ) Genocide verdict cannot be passed by activists, lobbyists, agents, fanatics, editorials, academics, politicians, clergy, or others. There is one and only one venue for that: a competent tribunal. That is what the 1948 U.N. Genocide Convention demands in articles 3 and 6. Why? Because this court (ICJ) is equipped weed fact from fiction and allow a fair chance for the accused to cross examine claims, evidence, witnesses and produce their own in their defense. (www.ethocide.com) Jewish Holocaust is a proven at Nuremberg , but Armenian claims of genocide were never tested at a court of law. Armenian claims are mostly based on hearsay and forgeries and, therefore, do not even the slimmest chance of withstanding the scrutiny of a courtroom. Armenians know this well which is why they avoid courts on this issue like a plague (they will sue the insurance companies for money but not Turkey at ICJ for genocide claims. http://www.tallarmeniantale.com ) InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:30:15Z InformedAmerican comment-17562 2009-11-10T16:14:08Z 2009-11-10T16:14:08Z Kazanjian's racist anti-Turkish remarks should be taken with a grain of salt. If one cherishes values like fairness, objectivity, truth, and honesty, then one should really use the term “Turkish-Armenian conflict”. Asking one “Do you accept or deny Armenian Genocide” shows anti-Turkish bias. The question should be re-phrased “What is your stand on the Turkish-Armenian conflict?” Turks believe it was an inter communal warfare mostly fought by Turkish and Armenian irregulars, a civil war which is engineered, provoked, and waged by the Armenian revolutionaries, with active support from Russia, England, France, and others, all eyeing the vast territories of the collapsing Ottoman Empire, against a backdrop of a raging world war. Armenians, on the other hand, totally ignoring Armenian agitation, raids, rebellions, treason, territorial demands, and Turkish victims killed by Armenians, unfairly claim that it was a one way genocide. Armenians are trying to establish credibility by association, to make up for the lack of evidence and substantiation. Not all suffering is genocide. War crimes can be adequately be dealt with by current laws. Genocide is special. That needs a verdict by a competent tribuanal. That is missing in the Armenian claims. Armenian are known to falsify and exagerate. They also ignore the Turkish suffering and losses Armenians caused. It was a civil war within a world war. Armenians took up arms agains their own government, attacked their Muslim neighbors, and joined the invading enemy armies. That is why they were TERESETted (temporarily resettled.) To misrepresent collective suffering as a one way genocide is not ethical or fair. In all fairness, Armenians should be kept out of all genocide gatherings because their lies and falsifications rob the real genocides the respect, empathy, and compassion they deserve. All victims deserve such noble feelings, except the Armemenian falsifiers and Turk haters. The latter cultivates hatred and vengeance and resort to terrorism. They have no place in resepctable platforms. InformedAmerican 2009-11-10T16:14:08Z HyeYerevan comment-17538 2009-11-10T15:14:33Z 2009-11-10T15:14:33Z Kazanjian is correct, I am second generation born in the USA and the result of my grandparents being driven from their homeland of Armenia. My grandmother was orphaned never to see her family again. She made it through to the first refugee camp in Baghdad then to Port Said, Egypt. Along the way orphans were stolen by Kurds, girls raped or put into Harems by the Ottoman empire. To this day modern day Turkey denies the genocide of the Christian Armenians, Greeks, Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Balkans, Bulgarians and more. Turkey has a penal code 301, that even talking about genocide is considered "Turkish insulting" and you will be jailed. Until Turkey can come to terms with their dark past and the American government makes Turkey accountable instead of playing into their expensive lobbying or trying to facilitate their entry into the EU (None of the European countries want Turkey in the EU) Their will be open wounds for many generations and many continents as we fled like the Jews to every country: France, Israel, Ethiopia, India, China and more. Mexico's Ambassador to the USA Arturo Sarkhan is Armenian and speaks frequently about his grandparents migrating to Mexico to flee the ugly butchers of the Ottoman Empire aka "The Sick Man of Europe". HyeYerevan 2009-11-10T15:14:33Z Kathleen Haley comment-17398 2009-11-06T18:25:41Z 2009-11-06T18:25:41Z Great quotes, Tina! This story was fun to read. Cheers, Kathleen Kathleen Haley 2009-11-06T18:25:41Z george comment-17226 2009-11-04T19:04:11Z 2009-11-04T19:04:11Z What a bunch of BS. I went to this haunted house & had to go back for more! It was soo scary! They did a really good job this year & those creepy girls in the bathroom gave me nightmares for days!!! The cage area was crazy wild too! The line to get in was very long but it was worth it. Hundreds of people were screaming scared out of their minds & grown adults freaking out & jumping out of their skin. They say it's not appropriate for kids & I agree as the gore factor was excellent but I did see a lot of younger ones so I know they are still having nightmares. I think the people that complain about being disappointed are just complainers in general... just my opinion. I loved the haunted house & had a lot of fun getting creeped out. Can't wait to go again next year! george 2009-11-04T19:04:11Z george comment-17165 2009-11-03T17:05:26Z 2009-11-03T17:05:26Z What a bunch of BS. I went to this haunted house & had to go back for more! It was soo scary! They did a really good job this year & those creepy girls in the bathroom gave me nightmares for days!!! The cage area was crazy wild too! The line to get in was very long but it was worth it. Hundreds of people were screaming scared out of their minds & grown adults freaking out & jumping out of their skin. They say it's not appropriate for kids & I agree as the gore factor was excellent but I did see a lot of younger ones so I know they are still having nightmares. I think the people that complain about being disappointed are just complainers in general... just my opinion. I loved the haunted house & had a lot of fun getting creeped out. Can't wait to go again next year! george 2009-11-03T17:05:26Z lauren comment-16924 2009-11-01T15:40:47Z 2009-11-01T15:40:47Z this was the WOREST haunted house I've ever been to as well! It was soooo horrible. I bought 3 vip tickets online and drove from antioch, ca to sacramento to go to this thing. I am so angry that I decide to go to this one because someone had recommended it to me. They have obviously never been any where near it . It was not a friend who had recommended it to me it was one of those text a question and they will text you back an answer things. If ANYONE was EVER thinking of going to this place I would just like to say it was not only a big disappointment but a waste of time, money, and energy. It ruined my halloween. lauren 2009-11-01T15:40:47Z SherryD comment-16887 2009-11-01T01:06:26Z 2009-11-01T01:06:26Z I adopted Taffy. Sherry SherryD 2009-11-01T01:06:26Z rihana comment-16869 2009-10-31T08:27:19Z 2009-10-31T08:27:19Z I watched This Is It movie it was great for ever. As I know it is the best and high demanded documentary movie forever. Michael Jackson is the person who was the popular singer among adults, youth and the baby. He fascinated all fans through his sweet voice with marvelous dances. Source http://blog.80millionmoviesfree.com/in-theaters/watch-michael-jacksons-this-is-it-online rihana 2009-10-31T08:27:19Z Kassandra Perlongo comment-16631 2009-10-29T05:36:19Z 2009-10-29T05:36:19Z you are my s/hero Tina, I am so SO glad you were able to cover this. Pictures really help with the adoptions, keep up the great work! Kassandra Perlongo 2009-10-29T05:36:19Z uline295 comment-16564 2009-10-28T10:28:02Z 2009-10-28T10:28:02Z I searched on the internet a bit and found this guy NickGibson has posted about fearoverload the exact same response on multiple sites... this appears to be a local competitor trying to hurt their business. You'd be crazy to take his comments as serious. uline295 2009-10-28T10:28:02Z PIMPBOYBROOKLYN77 comment-16416 2009-10-26T23:21:51Z 2009-10-26T23:21:51Z just looking at flav is scary PIMPBOYBROOKLYN77 2009-10-26T23:21:51Z NickGibson comment-16354 2009-10-26T15:55:16Z 2009-10-26T15:55:16Z This was one of the worst haunted house I have ever been to. I have been to every haunted house in Sacramento and they all suck, but this is the worst. It only takes about 10 minutes to walk through it and it is the same as the rest. Black plywood walls and people hitting them to scare you. There are long lengths where there is nothing , no props or people. It just sucks compared to the hype they built up for it NickGibson 2009-10-26T15:55:16Z NickGibson comment-16352 2009-10-26T13:33:47Z 2009-10-26T13:33:47Z This was one of the worst haunted house I have ever been to. I have been to every haunted house in Sacramento and they all suck, but this is the worst. It only takes about 10 minutes to walk through it and it is the same as the rest. Black plywood walls and people hitting them to scare you. There are long lenghts where there is nothing , no props or people. It just sucks compared to the hype the built up for it. NickGibson 2009-10-26T13:33:47Z Tina Armour comment-16346 2009-10-26T05:54:41Z 2009-10-26T05:54:41Z the link to the SPCA website is http://www.sspca.org/index.html Tina Armour 2009-10-26T05:54:41Z Tina Armour comment-15919 2009-10-21T03:14:38Z 2009-10-21T03:14:38Z Thanks to some wonderful people of Sacramento there were 5 other adoptions on Saturday, in addition to Chili and Hobbes stated above: Hunter, Taffy ( pictured above), Sade, Trevor and Fluffy. And, Helios was adopted on Sunday by a family who saw him on Saturday and didn't want to deal with the crowds. Thanks so much to the families adopting, you really are making a difference and it is greatly appreciated!! =) Tina Armour 2009-10-21T03:14:38Z Jessica Bean comment-15916 2009-10-21T01:46:25Z 2009-10-21T01:46:25Z This event is awesome. Next year's event has been set for Friday, April 10, 2010. Mark it on your calendars! Jessica Bean 2009-10-21T01:46:25Z Kassandra Perlongo comment-15911 2009-10-20T23:44:40Z 2009-10-20T23:44:40Z I really enjoyed volunteering there. This is such a great organization. They always need the help, so if anyone is thinking of being involved with something great, this is the place! Kassandra Perlongo 2009-10-20T23:44:40Z dianethao comment-15893 2009-10-20T18:31:33Z 2009-10-20T18:31:33Z love this man. can't wait for saturday. If only i could win meet and greet tickets! He's such an inspirational now if the whole non drinking and drug free thing is true. He has a good head dianethao 2009-10-20T18:31:33Z fairlady68 comment-15880 2009-10-20T01:44:24Z 2009-10-20T01:44:24Z Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrfect...love the pictures with this story! fairlady68 2009-10-20T01:44:24Z Sean Derfield comment-15831 2009-10-19T03:55:03Z 2009-10-19T03:55:03Z The Ghost tour is a blast! Don't forget to stop bye The River City Saloon and get a .25 Cent Sarsaparilla after or before the tour! Sean Derfield 2009-10-19T03:55:03Z Rhonda Erwin comment-15808 2009-10-18T19:35:10Z 2009-10-18T19:35:10Z Tom -- you wrote: "Sorry puddin', there's not much I can do for you if you don't have the comprehension skills to follow along. Maybe you should stick to chatting with Rhonda" ---LOL,- In regards to your other comment- You wrote, "... Just because you don't like him isn't enough." ---------- Tommy, How old are you? I don't dislike the Mayor. I dislike deceit, games, trickery,... Heck I don't even dislike you. I don't think you or Mayor Johnson is all that - appears you do-- . I wouldn't put energy into disliking him. You wrote "their is nothing illegal about pushing for a charter change"- Well babe, it wasn't the charter change I was referring to it was the other illegal allegations with St Hope.......... and underage/ minors including the one who is now an adult, not to long ago had a baby (not by Johnson) and she does have issues........... but I'm trying to be nice and didn't think you really needed me to spell it out. I'd continue this discussion but 1) I don't value your opinion and 2) I don't think you are all that and 3) why would you address me or want me to answer after all I can't seem to comprehend (LOL) Tommy, have you ever heard the expression, "no sense arguing with a drunk?" I see you as a person intoxicated with themselves- a drunk- so really their is no reason for me to debate, argue or continue this discussion, you appear drunk- full of yourself. Now please get some rest, drink coffee and take an asprin to prevent a handache in the morning. I only responded because I don't even dislike drunks. Rhonda Erwin 2009-10-18T19:35:10Z Kati Garner comment-15806 2009-10-18T15:04:43Z 2009-10-18T15:04:43Z Very nice! if I were wanting another cat, I'd go and adopt Taffy! Kati Garner 2009-10-18T15:04:43Z Marion Millin comment-15805 2009-10-18T14:59:31Z 2009-10-18T14:59:31Z Your game won't work here. Marion Millin 2009-10-18T14:59:31Z TomRunge comment-15779 2009-10-18T08:20:05Z 2009-10-18T08:20:05Z Sorry puddin', there's not much I can do for you if you don't have the comprehension skills to follow along. Maybe you should stick to chatting with Rhonda. TomRunge 2009-10-18T08:20:05Z Marion Millin comment-15777 2009-10-18T07:40:12Z 2009-10-18T07:40:12Z No, TomRunge, no more of this drive-by nonsense, spell it out here and now. Otherwise admit, you are a libeler and slanderer, who proudly describes the difference to those you are offending. Marion Millin 2009-10-18T07:40:12Z TomRunge comment-15774 2009-10-18T06:20:24Z 2009-10-18T06:20:24Z From the Sac Press article on 10/6: "Committee members directly asked the town hall attendees whether they thought the council should place a competing charter amendment on the June 2010 ballot, or spend the majority of their efforts trying to defeat the initiative through other means." http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/14956/Strongmayor_idea_scoffed_at_town_hall TomRunge 2009-10-18T06:20:24Z Marion Millin comment-15773 2009-10-18T05:42:18Z 2009-10-18T05:42:18Z TimRunge, "Please state" your libel target, Mr. Newland's "specific violation's of the law." Marion Millin 2009-10-18T05:42:18Z Marion Millin comment-15772 2009-10-18T05:39:07Z 2009-10-18T05:39:07Z Your unsubstantiated libel duly noted. As is your swipe at what you think you know about me. Marion Millin 2009-10-18T05:39:07Z TomRunge comment-15771 2009-10-18T04:46:46Z 2009-10-18T04:46:46Z Rhonda, Please state the Mayor's specific violation's of the law. There's nothing illegal about pushing for a charter change. Just because you don't like him isn't enough. Chairman Newland may be sweet as pie, but he's also a political hack and an hypocrite. More importantly, the Charter Commission he is leading has been turned into a political operation, that by it's own account is using taxpayer funds to defeat the Strong Mayor Proposal. This is a clear violation of the law. TomRunge 2009-10-18T04:46:46Z Rhonda Erwin comment-15770 2009-10-18T04:23:14Z 2009-10-18T04:23:14Z WOW, we should hold Newland accountable to his actions? Heck, first things first- .we haven't held the Mayor accountable for his actions, reactions, inactions I don't see Newland as a political lion using the charter reform commission as a taxpayer funded political operation. Maybe if he had some special assistants, volunteers, spokespersons, campaign manager perhaps he'd fit into that description.....but when I look at him he really appears to be a kind gentle soul just trying to do the job set before him. We are not where we are- attacking one another - due to Newland, it is due to Johnson and his high speed chase to get this proposal on the ballot so why not hold Johnson accountable first?. Rhonda Erwin 2009-10-18T04:23:14Z TomRunge comment-15769 2009-10-18T03:44:29Z 2009-10-18T03:44:29Z I know you have a habit of using words you're not really familiar with, so let me help you out. Slander is used when the defamation of character is spoken. Libel is the defamation of an individual's or an entity's character which is published in a written medium, such as a newspaper. Got it? Chairman Newland is using the Charter Reform Commission as a taxpayer funded political operation, which is highly illegal. He should be held to account for his actions. TomRunge 2009-10-18T03:44:29Z Kati Garner comment-15761 2009-10-18T01:00:17Z 2009-10-18T01:00:17Z Nicely ghostly! Kati Garner 2009-10-18T01:00:17Z Rhonda Erwin comment-15738 2009-10-17T22:26:39Z 2009-10-17T22:26:39Z So, I guess he is bold- bold enough to disregard and not value the public as well as the counselmembers we elect into office. But he's looking less of a leader and more of a boss attempting to DRIVE this self-absorbed Strong Mayor Proposal - DOWN OUR THROATS. In the words of Theodore Roosevelt -- "People ask the difference between a leader and a boss. The leader works in the open, and the boss in covert. The leader leads, and the boss drives. " I'm tired of hearing the Mayor is bold. Cowards hide their agenda. Cowards are sneaky. Cowards are not transparent................................. Rhonda Erwin 2009-10-17T22:26:39Z Marion Millin comment-15737 2009-10-17T22:21:41Z 2009-10-17T22:21:41Z What I heard Mr. Newland say was "I'd like a bold mayor but we want to keep him out of jail." Your unsubstantiated slander duly noted. Marion Millin 2009-10-17T22:21:41Z Rhonda Erwin comment-15736 2009-10-17T21:58:33Z 2009-10-17T21:58:33Z Hasting's comment is important and community members need to be aware "If you don't like something in the initiative, come voting time there's nothing anybody can do," Hastings said. "It's set in stone. It is what it is." Whoa hold your horses, pump your brakes, slow your roll....Mr Mayor, Seems to me the committee looked at what was written and what was not written-- looked/ read in between the lines - at the hidden and not so hidden agendas. At least I can say the COMMITTEE is transparent. And I agree with the committees findings and heck, we can't just throw caution to the wind. This is also very important: "Hastings explained that the executive mayor position would cause the mayor to have an unfair rule over the City Council, because of his role as the interim District 9 councilmember and as the vetoing vote. There is no time frame to get a ninth district, so the mayor could be getting to have multiple votes indefinitely," ---------Well heck, you mean the MAYOR'S lawyer who at one time criticized and critiqued our city attorney did not see this unfair advantage/ unfair rule over the council-- What the heck??? Whoa, "endless questions from a confused audience"------ now THAT sends red flags all around this proposal. How on earth can the mayor, advisors, assistants, campaign manager say this proposal was transparent... when many are CONFUSED??? This proposal as written --and written without public input -- is not a reflection of the desires of the community. The Strong Mayor Proposal is a reflection of the Mayor and outside influences. The community, it appears was of NO VALUE to the Mayor UNTIL SIGNATURES. Oh, that's a sock in the gut. If the SMP were a reflection of the desires of the community --the community would of been given the consideration, courtesy, and respect to be given an opportunity to attend these meetings PRIOR to the Mayor gathering signatures...PRIOR to the proposal being written in stone, PRIOR TO THE PROPOSAL TAKEN TO THE COUNSEL FOR VOTE.... HOW CAN A NEW MAYOR show such disregard for the community and a councilmembers that WE elect into office - councilmembers WHO were not asked OR VALUED by the NEW MAYOR? HOW CAN A NEW MAYOR SHOW SUCH DISREGARD for the residents of the city he took an oath to be a public SERVANT for? I give my appreciation and respect to the committee for doing what the Mayor of this city should have done and that is LISTEN to the People, TAKE QUESTIONS from the people, SEEK ADVICE, SOLUTIONS from the people OF THE CITY YOU REPRESENT instead of blindly gathering signatures.................. THIS IS SAD. The Mayor is a PUBLIC SERVANT and should be a reflection of the community not of self and not developing a proposal without the input of the public. Seems he put the cart before the horse--and underestimating and / or insulting the intelligence of the residents in the city of Sacrmento.. And left many community members to be confused.... How can it be said the proposal is transparent when meetings "degenerated into endless questions from a confused audience" ? Not to mention the CONFUSED talks I hear at stores, barber shops... What the heck, city residents are being shoved a proposal by any means necessary- not limited to and including ---CONFUSION Rhonda Erwin 2009-10-17T21:58:33Z TomRunge comment-15733 2009-10-17T19:45:25Z 2009-10-17T19:45:25Z "I would like to have a bold mayor, but I'd also like him to stay out of jail," committee member Chester Newland said. That's pretty rich, coming from a guy that's breaking the law. Maybe Mr. Newland can let us all know what it feel like inside of a jail cell. TomRunge 2009-10-17T19:45:25Z hocobo comment-15711 2009-10-17T03:31:38Z 2009-10-17T03:31:38Z Didn't someone steal Lance Armstrong's bicycle in Sac too? Yeah, we've got a little problem with theft. lol hocobo 2009-10-17T03:31:38Z John Gladding comment-15438 2009-10-13T06:43:34Z 2009-10-13T06:43:34Z Purple power! John Gladding 2009-10-13T06:43:34Z lucia316 comment-15432 2009-10-13T05:04:32Z 2009-10-13T05:04:32Z Excited. First season back in town and ready to watch the Kings in my PURPLE. Won't miss Dallas and Cuban's clown antics lucia316 2009-10-13T05:04:32Z keithknapp comment-15426 2009-10-13T04:40:55Z 2009-10-13T04:40:55Z I hope this season can bring back some PURPLE pride to the sacramento region. We could use a surprising season this year! keithknapp 2009-10-13T04:40:55Z Ben19 comment-15416 2009-10-13T03:02:51Z 2009-10-13T03:02:51Z Jason and the other young palyers on this team hopefully will make it fun to wear our Purple again! Ben19 2009-10-13T03:02:51Z jb3 comment-15341 2009-10-12T17:18:24Z 2009-10-12T17:18:24Z Tying local sports to local arts is a great effort that I hope more Kings players and more Kings fans will support. Thank you Jason Thompson for your time and enthusiasm for the great city of Sacramento. Let’s all paint this town PURPLE and chase the Capitol’s blues away!! jb3 2009-10-12T17:18:24Z William Burg comment-15160 2009-10-09T07:18:08Z 2009-10-09T07:18:08Z Okay, that's the part I was looking for...Downtown Plaza covers six city blocks, being more specific is always nice. William Burg 2009-10-09T07:18:08Z FearOverload comment-15126 2009-10-08T22:18:54Z 2009-10-08T22:18:54Z Hello Fans and Friends! We are busy touching up the finishing touches of the Haunted House as we speak! It looks AMAZINGLY TERRIFYING!!! Our Grand Opening is tomorrow, Friday October 9th! See you all there! ~Polanco www.fearoverload.com FearOverload 2009-10-08T22:18:54Z Tina Armour comment-15087 2009-10-08T04:40:30Z 2009-10-08T04:40:30Z As stated it's at the Downtown Plaza. But more specifically it will be in the old Copland Sports store above the Hard Rock Cafe. Tina Armour 2009-10-08T04:40:30Z William Burg comment-15057 2009-10-07T16:30:04Z 2009-10-07T16:30:04Z So...do we get to find out exactly where this fear overload will be found, or is that part of the mystery? William Burg 2009-10-07T16:30:04Z Kassandra Perlongo comment-15052 2009-10-07T07:06:03Z 2009-10-07T07:06:03Z I about died laughing reading this, ""We have had people come out who have wet their pants and run into walls." Priceless! Kassandra Perlongo 2009-10-07T07:06:03Z Tina Armour comment-14926 2009-10-04T23:18:19Z 2009-10-04T23:18:19Z Thanks for the info Dale! Tina Armour 2009-10-04T23:18:19Z Dale Kooyman comment-14925 2009-10-04T20:46:28Z 2009-10-04T20:46:28Z Actually, the Wilkerson theatre at 25th & R Streets has 49 seats unless Coleman removed some for this production, and is one of California Stage's three theatres. The Three Penny stage is also under the umbrella of California Stages and the largest theatre which is confusingly named, California Stage that was formerly the Space Theatre. Hopefully it will be renamed "Midtown Theatre" in the near future to eliminate this confusion. This show proves once again that there are many inexpensive things to do in Sacramento (in this case extremely funny for families and adults) that don't involve alcohol, but only 12 people attending. Although this is put on by Black Rabbit Productions, California Stage offers group rates which are even cheaper for its own productions such as the politically controversial Lee Atwater which is opening on October 9 in the large theatre. Dale Kooyman 2009-10-04T20:46:28Z Kassandra Perlongo comment-14919 2009-10-04T05:28:02Z 2009-10-04T05:28:02Z such a great event! Thanks for covering this Tina! Kassandra Perlongo 2009-10-04T05:28:02Z klamansgirl comment-14602 2009-09-28T23:47:02Z 2009-09-28T23:47:02Z All of the artists were great, but Train really rocked the house! They are FANTASTIC! The majority of people I talked to were there to see Train, including me. I am a fan of Colbie, and I think she is great, but she's got nothing on Pat Monahan. Aside from the artists, next year I really hope to see some Recycle bins and a restriction on cigarette smoke. I was really surprised how bad it was, considering this was an open-air venue. Overall, thanks for a great concert :O) klamansgirl 2009-09-28T23:47:02Z Kassandra Perlongo comment-14393 2009-09-25T19:09:48Z 2009-09-25T19:09:48Z I didn't know this: "in keeping with mimes of ancient Rome, this troupe uses voice, music, sound effects and humor to poke fun at difficult situations all while in bright costumes." I thought all mimes were always silent. Interesting fact! Kassandra Perlongo 2009-09-25T19:09:48Z