Randomguy comment-14759 2009-10-01T16:32:46Z 2009-10-01T16:32:46Z QuickWord i was hoping you would be kind enough to share your knowledge of the facts, but i guess we are just going to have to rely on the news Randomguy 2009-10-01T16:32:46Z Randomguy comment-14702 2009-09-30T15:32:45Z 2009-09-30T15:32:45Z Well Paul, here we have someone who has decided it was an accident, so since he seems to know the facts, lets have him tell us what happened. Oh and QuickWord, if my comments are the stupidest thing you have ever read, then you really need to get out more Randomguy 2009-09-30T15:32:45Z Randomguy comment-14675 2009-09-29T22:38:06Z 2009-09-29T22:38:06Z Perhaps then i can just say we see this from a different perspective, since i have to agree that there is no proof yet of him committing any crime. I appreciate the fact that we can have this discussion, and although i feel i was unable to get my point across, you most likely feel the same way. I want to make it clear that i am a gun owner, and a supporter of peoples right to gun ownership. I do however feel that this is a right that should be excerised with the utmost of care, and that to publicly post a photo of yourself surrounded by some pretty serious firepower, shows a disregard for the serious nature that i hold ownership in. Doesnt mean im right, just means its how i feel Thanks Paul for making me think, and examine things rationally. I hate coming to boards and trying to talk to someone, and feeling like we are just in an arguement, and not a discussion. I dont know if you are a friend of Mr Wiesz's or not, but believe me when i say i feel sorry for him, since even though i think he shows really bad judgement, and may have even been acting like an idiot, i dont believe he is a malicious person, so i hope there can be some good to come from this. I will follow the case, as i am sure you will, and i am curious to see the outcome Randomguy 2009-09-29T22:38:06Z Randomguy comment-14665 2009-09-29T21:00:27Z 2009-09-29T21:00:27Z But if he took photos of himself in a bunch of exotic cars, to assume anything less than he was a fan of said cars, or that he wished he could own them (assuming of course he didnt) is ignoring the 500 pound gorilla. Please point out to me where i said he had tons of guns and used them often? I pointed out that the guns, like it would be if it were the cars you mentioned, shows something that cars dont. A person surrounding himself in a photo with exotic cars ( regardless of who they belong to) shouldnt disturb anyone. A person surrounding themself in a photo with guns, with one resting almost lovingly on his chest, is, or should be a red flag. If it's not then nothing more can be said to discuss this because it's a case of you believe one way and i another, which only makes us of differing opinions. I made nothing in his last hourse sinister, nor did i say i wanetd to convict someone, you somehow reached that conclusion from my posts, so let me clear it up by saying that i merely said IF he was guilty then he should be punished. IF he is innocent he should be immediately released. I do however hope you can at least concede that he turned himself into the police as the driver of the vehicle that struck Mr. Fisher, since if he wasnt the driver, they could not still be holding him, even as a material witness, nor could they charge him with PC 187, which isnt in dispute. But, i will concede that he may be entirely innocent, and i will ignore all other facts except one. In my charge if you and Mr. Weisz were employees at a site i was hired to protect, and i encountered Mr Weisz's photo with the guns, if i didnt note him as a threat and consider him a security risk, i could (rightfully) be sued for failure to perform my duties. You want to downplay the guns he surrounds himself with like its some wantonly silly activitiy that commonly occurs. I will concede that point to you only if you can show me similar photos Randomguy 2009-09-29T21:00:27Z Randomguy comment-14649 2009-09-29T15:23:23Z 2009-09-29T15:23:23Z Ok Paul, Here are some facts that arent in dispute. This person was operating a motor vehicle that was responsible for the death of another human being. After the incident, this person then fled the scene of this incident. He is minimally guilty of felony hit and run. Now, all that being said, i would like to know the facts as would the people i discuss this with, since they dont rush to judgement, nor would i presume to tell you because my peers say so, this guy is guilty of anything. You say the pictures say nothing more than he was near guns. If this is all you want to take away so be it. I can assure you that if this photo was of someone who had been accused of shooting this same man, you would be singing a different tune i think. You condemn people, calling everything into question, and say dont rush to judgement, but thats exactly what you have done by calling someone who clearly displays warning signs "playful", but that is my opinion, the same as the playful commennt is yours. The only thing i havent seen you express is sorrow for the loss of Mr Fisher, who was no less beloved than Mr Weisz. That, once again in my opinion, tells its own tale Randomguy 2009-09-29T15:23:23Z Randomguy comment-14586 2009-09-28T20:46:29Z 2009-09-28T20:46:29Z Paul, I am going to discuss this case with my fellow professionals to see if they agree with me or with thsas, or if they agree with you. These are people who are in law enforcement, and threat assesment, down to the regular first contact officer. I want to see what they have to say about this Randomguy 2009-09-28T20:46:29Z Randomguy comment-14573 2009-09-28T18:58:19Z 2009-09-28T18:58:19Z and i quote the writer of this article "Before this week, he could have been best described as your average, typical 23-year-old male" How can you even say this when one of the photos shows him surrounded by some serious firepower? This is NOT a typical 23 year old male. To even make such a statement is misleading. Normal people DO NOT surround themselves with guns, and post it online as a normal picture. These are the kinds of photos i expect from a disturbed individual who is just one incident away from opening up on a crowd This should be decided on the facts, but he is, at a minimum a criminal guilty of felony hit and run, and should be treated as such. As far as rehabilitation goes, i dont like anyone going to prison, but if he intentionally ran over this man, with the end result being death, then its a case of manslaughter at the least, and murder at the most. If it was an accident, then he at least needs to pay for his felonious actions. Randomguy 2009-09-28T18:58:19Z