UPDATE - On Friday, January 4, 2013, a male and female associated with Carlito Montoya were arrested for assault with a deadly weapon related to this incident. Amber Scholz-36 is believed to have instigated the altercation and her husband Charles Fowler-Scholz-34, was involved in the physical fight that preceded the deadly shooting. No further details are available at this time.   UPDATE - Suspect identification: According to a Sacramento Police update, the suspect, 22-year-old Carlito Monto... SacramentoPressstaff R.V. Scheide comment-77849 2013-01-04T03:33:22Z 2013-01-04T03:33:22Z William, the Mabuhay and CBGBs were there first, they didn't need support from a bunch of phony yuppies. The Kay felt as dead to me on NYE as it always as. R.V. Scheide 2013-01-04T03:33:22Z Kati Garner comment-77758 2013-01-03T02:06:57Z 2013-01-03T02:06:57Z FOR SPOPEN2013 LAST TWO PHOTOS AT BOTTOM OF ARTICLE. Kati Garner 2013-01-03T02:06:57Z irishrealityczech comment-77754 2013-01-02T23:35:25Z 2013-01-02T23:35:25Z Old Sac used to be the palce to be, then Thursday Nights on K Street, then Second Saturday. Shoot, anything that is good finds a way to be bad when invaded by hood rats. Sick of it. irishrealityczech 2013-01-02T23:35:25Z Ryan Schauland (f.k.a. ryuns) comment-77747 2013-01-02T18:39:51Z 2013-01-02T18:39:51Z They said it was "too expensive" to wait until later, but that they were all rigged and needed to go off. I'm no pyrotechnician, so I assume that was a legitimate reason. They said that waiting until a little later, once the investigation had made more progress, was an option but that 3 am fireworks would probably annoy everyone a good bit. I think there were a couple of better options: waiting until the night of the 1st (which they said was too expensive) or just firing them at midnight as planned (which SacPD was against). It woke me up early enough that I experienced one of those annoying delayed hangovers that doesn't hit until a few hours after waking up. Ryan Schauland (f.k.a. ryuns) 2013-01-02T18:39:51Z MyQuest comment-77746 2013-01-02T17:54:01Z 2013-01-02T17:54:01Z Shooting people is already illegal. Carrying a conceled weapon is already illegal. Maybe making it triple or quadruple or five-ple or six-ple illegal would stop it. MyQuest 2013-01-02T17:54:01Z Allison Joy comment-77745 2013-01-02T17:53:37Z 2013-01-02T17:53:37Z Comment has been removed due to violation of our Terms of Use. Allison Joy 2013-01-02T17:53:37Z MyQuest comment-77744 2013-01-02T17:49:54Z 2013-01-02T17:49:54Z I hope you enjoy Folsom or Roseville once you can afford it MyQuest 2013-01-02T17:49:54Z PETER S. LOPEZ comment-77739 2013-01-02T08:21:57Z 2013-01-02T08:21:57Z Tuesday Night ~ Tweet > Tragic end to 2012: Suspect caught after 2 killed, 3 injured in New Year's Eve shooting… sacpr.es/4O4 via @sacramentopress I live in Central Downtown. Heard leftover Fireworks in the day this morning and I thought the noise was odd as it was already daytime. Thought of the Middle East. Then I heart about the killings after I went to the K Street Mini-Mart. So, so sad for many. Insanity is runnng amuk around us in our insane psychotic society. What is normal? If all this sickness is normal and we are gettng numbed out about us, then, I would rather be abnormal. I am already a crazy Chicano ;-> Peter S. Lopez AKA @Peta_de_Aztlan c/s PETER S. LOPEZ 2013-01-02T08:21:57Z will comment-77738 2013-01-02T06:05:08Z 2013-01-02T06:05:08Z First and foremost, a reiteration of the prayers and condolences for the families of the victims. Secondly, I think this incident anecdotally disproves my son's contention (and that of his NRA brethren) that if everyone was packing, crime and/or collateral damage would be reduced. The armed security guard is the 'everyman' that the NRA contends will 'fix things' vis a vis gun usage/proliferation. He was on the scene, drew his gun, actually hit the perp. The perp ran out into a crowded street and would have shot who knows how many more if not for the fortuitous arrival of the Sac PD. Armed bystander, even when a 'professional,' does not guarantee a squelched gun threat. will 2013-01-02T06:05:08Z Phosgood comment-77737 2013-01-02T06:02:34Z 2013-01-02T06:02:34Z Srange the "suspect"'s name is not mentioned. Thank goodness there was armed security to keep the death toll down. He needs a little more time on the range though if hoodie got loose. Phosgood 2013-01-02T06:02:34Z MichelleW comment-77736 2013-01-02T04:14:40Z 2013-01-02T04:14:40Z As a Sacramento native, seeing this happen in Old Sacramento makes my heart hurt! My momma lives in Downtown Sacramento and in response to new guy in sac, Roseville and Folsom are not any safer then most areas in Sacramento with the exception being South Sacramento, some areas in West Sacramento & the Northgate areas. I have lived in Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, Orangevale and now live past Folsom in Placerville and the sad, hard reality is in this day & age, it can happen ANYWHERE in our beloved Sacramento! None of us are immune to tragedy- welcome to the year 2013 and my sincere prayers go out to the families whom lost a loved one. MichelleW 2013-01-02T04:14:40Z William Burg comment-77735 2013-01-02T03:45:47Z 2013-01-02T03:45:47Z lmw: I don't really get why Pyramid still closes so early--they would definitely benefit from being part of the critical mass taking place on that block of K. Ambrosia tried staying open later for a short while after Dive Bar etc. opened but apparently the experiment didn't last. Good to hear that Estelle's was open late! They have slowly been pushing their operating hours back, nice to have an eatery downtown that doesn't close up shop right after state worker lunch hour. RV: It's not exactly my cup of tea (or tall-boy of Pabst) either, but I ordinarily spend New Year's Eve at a friend's studio a block or so from the 1000 block of K, and have for a decade or so. I'll definitely take K Street in its current state than how it was just a few years ago, when the street was utterly vacant at night, with neither residents or visitors on the street. And just as the yuppies being overcharged in Soho or SF helped drive the entertainment economy of those cities that made CBGB's and Mabuhay Gardens possible, their presence does have a positive effect on Sacramento's music scene: a multitude of "mainstream" clubs creates the conditions needed for a healthy musical underground. Admittedly, I'll probably like it better once there are a couple more live music venues on K Street and thereabouts. And even better than that once there are a lot more residents living alongside K Street, functioning as eyes on the street and complaining to their councilmember when things start getting out of control. William Burg 2013-01-02T03:45:47Z SavvyShopHer comment-77734 2013-01-02T03:33:54Z 2013-01-02T03:33:54Z Jared & Staff at Sacramento Press, thank you for keeping us well informed with the facts! My sympathy is for the family & friends of the two murdered men. It seems so obvious, but nobody has mentioned nor questioned, why the armed security guard shot at a suspect in a crowded establishment? What did he do to try and break-up the situation before using his gun? The police press release (per Sacramento Press) indicates the armed guard confronted the suspect in the bar after the first gunshots were heard. Where was the security guard before the first shots were fired? What was he doing? Is the security guard an off-duty police officer, sheriff or was he hired from a private firm? Who hired the armed security guard? In that type of situation, is using deadly force protocol for police officers or the sheriff? If the Sports Cafe hired the armed guard, why wasn't he aware of the argument that escalated into a physical fight? We know of only one employee that tried to stop the fight, where were other employees such as bouncers, manager, etc.? There might be answers, or we may never know the answers, but there are still plenty of questions. SavvyShopHer 2013-01-02T03:33:54Z Doug Tarpin comment-77733 2013-01-02T03:04:41Z 2013-01-02T03:04:41Z It's a little late for gun control in this country. If only the bad guys have them, how can one protect himself and his family? Jesus? Allah? Fists? I'm going to go get a gun where I used to eat breakfast on J street. It's a sign of the times we are living in. Great reporting Jared and staff... Doug Tarpin 2013-01-02T03:04:41Z R.V. Scheide comment-77732 2013-01-02T02:18:20Z 2013-01-02T02:18:20Z Freaky .... ! R.V. Scheide 2013-01-02T02:18:20Z R.V. Scheide comment-77731 2013-01-02T02:00:30Z 2013-01-02T02:00:30Z Since they decided to cancel the fireworks, I was forced, literally, by traffic cops, into the maelstrom that is sometimes called the Kay. It reminded me of this time I was trying to get to CBGBs but somehow got lost in Soho, and there were all these mediocre loft clubs with $60 cover charges and crappy music. I never was a clubber, I was a punker, and when this kind of crap started happening in the 1980s in SF, I just rolled my eyes at my friends that think this shit is cool. So go ahead, stand in line at Dive Bar. I'm catching the night train home. R.V. Scheide 2013-01-02T02:00:30Z R.V. Scheide comment-77729 2013-01-02T01:44:17Z 2013-01-02T01:44:17Z They had the suspect down on the ground in seconds. I was there, I saw it. They could have easily held the second fireworks show, with no problem, besides the fact that the crime scene had to be taped off so the CSIs can do their work. In a certain sense, by not having the real midnight fireworks show thousands of people showed up for, the terrorists won. R.V. Scheide 2013-01-02T01:44:17Z R.V. Scheide comment-77728 2013-01-02T01:39:36Z 2013-01-02T01:39:36Z Remember when you could just go to your local nearby park, lay out on the grass, and watch the fireworks? R.V. Scheide 2013-01-02T01:39:36Z cogmeyer comment-77726 2013-01-02T01:11:34Z 2013-01-02T01:11:34Z I would love to see some follow up reporting on these murders, as well as the many other senseless tragedies in our area (Rhonda Irwin does a great service by consistently reminding of the violence that continually happens off the grid). Was the shooter a gang member? What was his criminal history, if any? Education level? Was the_gun registered to him, how did he obtain it? Are his fingerprints on file with city of Sacramento for ammo purchases? Data driven responses make sense, but we never see the data. Banning the NRA makes as much sense as banning hoodies. cogmeyer 2013-01-02T01:11:34Z R.V. Scheide comment-77725 2013-01-01T23:56:10Z 2013-01-01T23:56:10Z I was waiting in line at 10-22 when the shooting started about 50 yards away, at the corner sports bar. A hundred people came barreling down the boardwalk toward us, trying to get away from the shots. I ran toward the shooting, there were definitely two different gunshots, you could hear the difference. The cops were incredibly fast. By the time I got to the scene, the shooting was over and they were stringing up the yellow tape telling everybody to get back. It was literally over in three minutes. The suspect was wearing a white jacket and was wounded, laying on the ground by a cop car. They they put him in the back and took him away. I was disappointed that they canceled the fireworks, the cops had secured the scene in plenty of time to have the second show. I suppose the coroner still had some work to do, though. I didn't feel frightened by this event, I thought the cops did an excellent job, and I'll go back to Old Sac anytime I feel like it, which frankly ain't that often. R.V. Scheide 2013-01-01T23:56:10Z Ed Fogle comment-77724 2013-01-01T23:48:56Z 2013-01-01T23:48:56Z Yeah, newguyinsac, I gotta say a lack of police presence is not the problem. Anyone downtown on a Friday/Saturday night will tell you there are a ton of cops downtown/midtown everywhere. My concern has been that there is such a huge police presence, just the night time weekend law enforcement budget alone would seem enough to fiscally cripple Sac. There's a SacPD unit staged at nearly every significant bar/club not to mention bike units patrolling, mounted units, a large amount of DUI units, not to mention the ABC cops, and large constituency of CHP units in the area. Lack of police is definitely not the issue in my opinion. Ed Fogle 2013-01-01T23:48:56Z lmw comment-77723 2013-01-01T23:17:50Z 2013-01-01T23:17:50Z Yep, it was fun. At 11 starting to get to be too crowded to order a beer, but fun people watching. We had wished more places would've been open like Pyramid and Ambrosia (for a change). Even Estelle's had something going on. lmw 2013-01-01T23:17:50Z mbalexan comment-77722 2013-01-01T22:08:43Z 2013-01-01T22:08:43Z I knew something was really wrong when I heard the fireworks launched at 8am today. Some way for city to wake up!! Such a senseless tragedy for the victims and families. Too bad as well that the rockets had to go to waste as well. Seems like could have done early evening today. mbalexan 2013-01-01T22:08:43Z thsas comment-77699 2013-01-01T21:51:55Z 2013-01-01T21:51:55Z Sort of like how making drugs illegal solved that problem. thsas 2013-01-01T21:51:55Z William Burg comment-77697 2013-01-01T21:15:51Z 2013-01-01T21:15:51Z What did you think of the scene at 10th and K? It was lively and energetic but not out of control. William Burg 2013-01-01T21:15:51Z William Burg comment-77696 2013-01-01T21:14:47Z 2013-01-01T21:14:47Z Apparently making idiots illegal is not an option? William Burg 2013-01-01T21:14:47Z lmw comment-77693 2013-01-01T20:46:13Z 2013-01-01T20:46:13Z There *are* gated communities for those that are paranoid. And downtowns that can (hopefully) be shaped and molded by the people that want to be there. lmw 2013-01-01T20:46:13Z basvox comment-77692 2013-01-01T20:43:47Z 2013-01-01T20:43:47Z 1+1=2. Guns + Idiots = Deaths Make All Guns Illegal NOW!!! Make America safer and more sane. Stop the NRA, it is a criminal organization. basvox 2013-01-01T20:43:47Z lmw comment-77691 2013-01-01T20:37:03Z 2013-01-01T20:37:03Z I moved here from Santa Cruz (pretty small community), where stabbings and shootings are the norm, all year round. For events, when a bunch of out-of-towners take over, they beef up security and I believe enlist help from other cities, if possible. Violence happens all over the state, and all over the country. Especially where budgets have been cut. I don't know how to express my feelings about this- on one hand violence is part of our lives these days, on the other- I wish we could fix it! On top of all else, we can't hide in our houses to avoid it. At least I can't. lmw 2013-01-01T20:37:03Z Dale Kooyman comment-77690 2013-01-01T20:11:28Z 2013-01-01T20:11:28Z Actually studies show that "partying" really costs a city more than it nets "in financial support". Since the "party" scene began, residents have repeatedly asked for a similar cost benefit study here but neither past council members or city management have been willing to conduct one. Dale Kooyman 2013-01-01T20:11:28Z Elaine Johnson comment-77688 2013-01-01T20:00:40Z 2013-01-01T20:00:40Z Very spot on, Jared. Unfortunately "partying" seems to be the only reliable source of financial support for the most recent downtown renewal, so I doubt we'll see less of it. What I would like to see, as another person commented, is family events staged at more containable venues, such as Raley Field or Cal Expo. Elaine Johnson 2013-01-01T20:00:40Z Bobbi Mercouri comment-77687 2013-01-01T19:45:22Z 2013-01-01T19:45:22Z thanks for the coverage and photos. With the Bee charging now to access their web site, this is my new “go to” for local news. Bobbi Mercouri 2013-01-01T19:45:22Z William Burg comment-77686 2013-01-01T18:53:20Z 2013-01-01T18:53:20Z Perhaps the resurgence of downtown/midtown Sacramento should be based around making it a place to live instead of solely a place to party? William Burg 2013-01-01T18:53:20Z Jared Goyette comment-77685 2013-01-01T18:53:16Z 2013-01-01T18:53:16Z Fixed, thanks. Jared Goyette 2013-01-01T18:53:16Z peggy1 comment-77684 2013-01-01T18:48:13Z 2013-01-01T18:48:13Z happens all over. senseless young adults. guns should be outlawed and people are stupid. fights start over nothing and shoots are fired. When are people going to wake up. no one should have to go through this. peggy1 2013-01-01T18:48:13Z Ryan Schauland (f.k.a. ryuns) comment-77683 2013-01-01T18:46:11Z 2013-01-01T18:46:11Z Thanks for the coverage Jared and crew. This is tragic and horribly depressing...one a**hole makes a whole community question their love for where they live. Here's to a positive 2013. Ryan Schauland (f.k.a. ryuns) 2013-01-01T18:46:11Z anonymouscoward comment-77682 2013-01-01T18:45:58Z 2013-01-01T18:45:58Z Seriously people? Typos? 'stuided the scene' I am outraged! anonymouscoward 2013-01-01T18:45:58Z Ryan Schauland (f.k.a. ryuns) comment-77681 2013-01-01T18:41:15Z 2013-01-01T18:41:15Z What a ridiculous comment. Ryan Schauland (f.k.a. ryuns) 2013-01-01T18:41:15Z billWrightsr comment-77680 2013-01-01T18:39:24Z 2013-01-01T18:39:24Z This is aweful. This is the same type of sensless murders that are happening so frequently in Chico Ca just nortth of Sacramento. Chico is really bad now and it breaks my heart to see so much violence. billWrightsr 2013-01-01T18:39:24Z newguyinsac comment-77679 2013-01-01T18:39:18Z 2013-01-01T18:39:18Z Yes, they did. Don't know why they didn't wait until tonight, but yep, they shot them off this morning. newguyinsac 2013-01-01T18:39:18Z Jared Goyette comment-77678 2013-01-01T18:25:18Z 2013-01-01T18:25:18Z RanSACkedMedia has a good post on that. Jared Goyette 2013-01-01T18:25:18Z newguyinsac comment-77677 2013-01-01T18:05:34Z 2013-01-01T18:05:34Z Sad news, but why is anyone surprised? Events in Sacramento like NYE, Second Saturday, or even just weekends in midtown are overrun with gangbangers because they know there is insufficient police presence. Face it, Downtown/Midtown Sacramento are no longer safe. And as more people realize this it will get worse and worse because the people that can afford to will move to Roseville and Folsom. The midtown resurgence is dead. newguyinsac 2013-01-01T18:05:34Z Llovett728 comment-77676 2013-01-01T17:53:12Z 2013-01-01T17:53:12Z Do you know if they shot off the fireworks from the cancelled midnight show around 8:00 am this morning? I live very close to Old Sac and heard what sounded like a fireworks show. Llovett728 2013-01-01T17:53:12Z lmw comment-77675 2013-01-01T17:49:49Z 2013-01-01T17:49:49Z Great, great coverage, Jared! Was at 10th and K and didn't get the info (that show was cancelled) until 11 pm when we tried to walk through the mall to see fireworks. Could not find any info on why, what, etc, since news was over by the time we walked home. Looked here, though and got the story. Thanks again. How chilling- "Young man in white hoodie turns gun sideways and shoots into building" As a moldy-oldy my first thoughts are 'too much TV and video gaming!' The age of the shooter says, dumb, young guy. lmw 2013-01-01T17:49:49Z Jared Goyette comment-77673 2013-01-01T16:56:27Z 2013-01-01T16:56:27Z Thanks. Just woke up. Will update the story now. Jared Goyette 2013-01-01T16:56:27Z aztc comment-77672 2013-01-01T16:31:33Z 2013-01-01T16:31:33Z From SFGate.com posted at 7:37AM: SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — Police have arrested a suspect in connection with a New Year's Eve shooting at a bar in the Old Sacramento area that killed two people. Authorities say the 22-year-old was among three people wounded Monday evening. His injuries and those to a security guard and a woman are not life threatening. Police say it started as an argument inside the bar and escalated. When an employee tried to break it up, he was shot, as were the woman and another man. That man and the employee died at the scene. Authorities say the armed guard heard the gunshots and got into a gunfight with the suspect and both were wounded. Afterward, police canceled the midnight fireworks show that was expected to draw as many as 40,000 people. Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Suspect-arrested-in-fatal-Sacramento-bar-shooting-4159167.php#ixzz2Gk4kxmY3 aztc 2013-01-01T16:31:33Z David Jenest comment-77671 2013-01-01T11:40:57Z 2013-01-01T11:40:57Z Excellent coverage Jared and Sac Press staff... better than most in fact. Just ended our watch on the most brutal New Years Eve in my 19 years as director of Crimewatch.Some have questioned why Old Sacramento was shut down and the midnight event cancelled. Here's my take on that: In a situation where you have no suspect in custody and the possibility of additional violence, slim or not, one can only imagine the criticism police and the City of Sacramento would face if they didn't shut down the area and the later event. For those demanding to know who made the decision; I suspect the watch commander, deputy chiefs and chief informed appropriate city charter officers with the recommendation. Fortunately numerous eyewitnesses and clear suspect descriptions may help investigators ID the criminal that brought such a tragic end to 2012. SPD officers and reserves, CHP and Air units handled the situation with calm and resolve let alone professionalism. Some late watch officers are still writing their reports. David Jenest 2013-01-01T11:40:57Z Reader9000 comment-77669 2013-01-01T10:12:29Z 2013-01-01T10:12:29Z Good reporting on this. Thanks SP. Reader9000 2013-01-01T10:12:29Z relentlesscactus comment-77668 2013-01-01T09:50:04Z 2013-01-01T09:50:04Z In West Sac by river. 5-4-3-2-1. Nothing. Guy nearby says, "It's off to a great start." relentlesscactus 2013-01-01T09:50:04Z Amdrezze7 comment-77666 2013-01-01T07:38:19Z 2013-01-01T07:38:19Z Start doing fireworks in Raley Field and treat it like a sporting event. Amdrezze7 2013-01-01T07:38:19Z Jewels comment-77665 2013-01-01T07:15:28Z 2013-01-01T07:15:28Z That's so horrible. My condolences to the family and friends of those killed and my prayers go out to those who were injured. Jewels 2013-01-01T07:15:28Z Lisa Ouellette comment-77663 2013-01-01T06:46:46Z 2013-01-01T06:46:46Z Thanks for the update. But, really? Sacramento, we don't need this. Lisa Ouellette 2013-01-01T06:46:46Z