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Thai Basil and Level Up Lounge owner pursues second-floor patio

by Brandon Darnell, published on October 11, 2011 at 6:02 PM

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A Midtown business owner is looking to add a second-floor patio area to her combination restaurant and lounge, but as the plans go to the Planning Commission for review Thursday, some neighbors say it will present a noise problem.

Suleka Sun-Lindley owns Thai Basil and Level Up Lounge at 2431 J St., and with the lounge – which opened in 2007 – not making money, she said she hopes the addition of an open-air balcony will help it become profitable.

“Thai Basil is doing well, but Level Up has been costing us money,” she said Tuesday afternoon. “I’m hoping that adding an area where people can go outside and smoke will make more people want to come.”

The Thai restaurant, which opened in May 2002, is a successful branch of a family business begun by Sun-Lindley, her mother and sister in Roseville in 1996. Sun-Lindley, who moved from Thailand in 1989, was an architect before going into the restaurant business.

After being granted a liquor license in a lottery in 2006, the upstairs portion of the building was turned into Level Up Lounge.

Building an upper deck or patio was the logical solution to two problems, Sun-Lindley said.

“We like to have our outdoor seating at Thai Basil, but the awning leaks in the rain, and I wanted to build a permanent covering over it,” she said. “I thought it would be perfect to make it a deck for Level Up so people could use it to go outside and smoke, instead of going downstairs to the street.”

The design involves extending the front and rear walls of the building 8 feet and putting a floor and new awning in place to allow lower-level seating in all weather as well as upper-level open space.

In all, 300 square feet will be added to the 4,000 square feet the building already occupies, but the capacity of Level Up Lounge – 50 people – will not increase.

Some neighbors, however, are concerned about added noise from the business, which stays open until midnight on weeknights and 2 a.m. Thursday through Sunday.

“My worries are that if that went in, then I might not be able to sleep,” said nearby resident Joe Diaz. “The DJs already play loud music, and I hear it. It goes right through my double-pane windows and insulated walls.”

He added that he is concerned people will step outside and have loud conversations on the balcony that will keep him awake, and parking will be more scarce.

Another nearby building owner, Brent Johnson, said he has four residential tenants for whom noise is a problem, though he acknowledged noise as a reality in a mixed-use area such as Midtown.

“It’s mostly just the noise,” he said. “I’m all for local businesses succeeding, but the noise went up when the bar came in, and I think instead of it being an open-air patio, it could be closed to keep in the sound.”

He added that he sees a benefit to the patio as well.

Currently, smokers on the street level toss cigarette butts onto his property, he said, adding that he thinks having an upstairs area where they can smoke will cut down on the problem.

Sun-Lindley held an informal meeting at the lounge Monday night, with staff passing out about 40 fliers inviting neighbors to give input. Modifications were made to the design to completely enclose the rearward wall – which faces homes – after the comments of the four people who came, with two supporting and two opposing. It was originally designed as a half-wall.

Others familiar with the space said the addition will make the lounge more attractive.

“I love the expansion idea just to get people out to have some fresh air,” said local artist John Krempel, who has had about 20 art shows in the lounge.

“During my art shows, people want to get outside and get some fresh air, but they have to go downstairs, and a lot of the time, they just leave,” he said. “It would be such a better experience if you had (the patio) up there.”

Sun-Lindley said she enjoys having art shows in Level Up as a way of staying involved in the community.

“The nearby neighbors are the ones we want to have coming in,” she said. “We want to run a business, but we also want to be good neighbors.”

Fully enclosing the outdoor space, she said, “would kill the ambiance.”

Adding to the building has been a continual process since the restaurant’s opening, with a permanent storage area, new flooring, new paint, revised lighting, courtyard seating and the building of the lounge all being done over the years as money was available.

“We want to put the money we make back into the business,” she said.

Planning the patio cost about $19,000, with a $9,000 non-refundable permit fee added to $10,000 in planning and architectural renderings. If approved, the estimated cost of the addition, as designed, is about $150,000.

“I really want it for a better outdoor dining experience, but it’s also something we want to see at Level Up, since having an outdoor area is so Sacramento,” she said.

The design will be reviewed by the Planning Commission at 5:30 p.m. Thursday in the City Council Chambers at 915 I St.

Brandon Darnell is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press. Follow him on Twitter @Brandon_Darnell.

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October 11, 2011 | 7:00 PM
What in God's name justifies the city charging a $9,000 fee on such a small project... No wonder there are so many empty storefronts throughout Sacramento. Rather than bleeding business owners upfront, the city might take the long view and realize they will take in far more in increased sales and other taxes by getting these businesses up and open for customers.
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October 11, 2011 | 8:44 PM
Being a business owner, Sacramento is a steady thief robbing small businesses and coddling large corps... but what always got me, and the main reason I moved out of midtown were the neighborhood associations. Too much power in a small area. They live IN A CITY CENTER! They enjoy all the benefits of their neighborhood, so unless THEY are forking over some cash to assist in the local success, then they should just learn to adjust... maybe they wouldn't like to have so many great restaurants so close to walking distance from them? Is the noise really so deafening? I lived in midtown for the better part of ten years... unless you were actually living above a venue, the only noise I ever heard was the freeway!
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October 12, 2011 | 9:42 AM
I agree. I get so tired of people living in the midtown/downtown area complaining about noise. Move to the burbs if you want it to be quiet 24/7 and shut up about it. This area is supposed to attract nightlife.
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October 12, 2011 | 2:49 PM
Central city residents DO fork over their cash--half the dollars that go into Midtown cash registers come from neighborhood residents, even though we're only 2% of the region's population. We also pay property tax, and pay a premium in rent or home prices to live here. And I don't see how living downtown means surrendering your right to be heard by local government and the business community--nor how opening a Midtown business absolves anyone of responsibility for the negative effects of their business on a neighborhood. Plenty of entertainment venues are capable of managing their problems and being good neighbors--it is those who won't that present a problem for residents.
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October 12, 2011 | 3:11 PM
I actually live in Midtown and work in Downtown. I choose to live here because there is nightlife and bars and restaurants nearby. I understand what it's like living in an urban center. If you don't want those things around where you live, then don't live there. I didn't move to the burbs and complain about how I have to drive everywhere. There are sacrifices for living in any given area. Yes, it's their right to whine to the government about trivial matters as noise in an urban environment, but it's not really a productive way of getting what you want. I HIGHLY doubt that the crowd at Thai Basil and Level Up Lounge are causing any serious problems for the neighborhood, both well ran establishments.
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October 12, 2011 | 5:23 PM
I live in Midtown, work in Midtown, go to nightclubs and restaurants in Midtown. I know from my own experience that entertainment businesses and residential neighborhoods can coexist, but it is the responsibility of those businesses to not be an undue burden on the neighborhood. Responsible business owners do a good job of this. If Thai Basil/Level Up can resolve those issues, as many dining and entertainmment businesses do, more power to them. Adults are capable of cleaning up their own messes.

As to comlaining to city hall, if it doesn't make any difference, why do you care if people do it?
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October 12, 2011 | 9:56 PM
As to these jokers saying if "you don't like it, move", you would not even be here, including the prior bike shop owner who received all kinds of support from neighborhood bikers, had it not been for those people creating a residential neighborhood that prompted them to open a business here. That includes Thai Basil. Had the area remained the slum that it once was, neither owner would have risked their investment in that kind of environment.

Further, those who think the problems the alcohol businesses have created in Midtown are just part of urban living have never lived in a true urban environment as I and and many others who live here now and who made Midtown what it is today. The shallow thinking of the "move if you don't like it" is typical of country folks and those raised in the suburbs.

Real cities protect residential property owners' rights because they know that renters vote with their feet and move when the going gets tough. It is the residential property owner whose investment is at stake, who form the heart of a neighborhood and whose taxes fund needed city services.

Obviously, these non-thinkers do not know there is nothing in the state or local statutes that require residents who live in an urban environment to sacrifice their quality of life. In fact, the opposite. There is a long standing Supreme Court decision which protects that quality of life--Sacramento has just been grossly negligent in enforcing it.
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October 12, 2011 | 11:35 AM
I applaud Suleka's continued commitment to Midtown. The neighbor's reactions are selfish and naive. There are some great, quiet apartments in North Natomas. You can even rent a house there pretty cheaply. Have at it.

And good luck to Thai Basil. I hope the city has the foresight to approve this project.
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October 12, 2011 | 2:38 PM
Perhaps you should stop by the senior housing apartment building directly across from the proposed patio and let the 100 or so folks who live there know that they're living in the wrong neighborhood?
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October 12, 2011 | 12:31 PM
Why not have the patio overlooking J Street as opposed to the 25th street side? Seems like that would deal with a lot of the noise issues as J is already a noisy street.
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October 12, 2011 | 3:31 PM
Really, William Burg? That is a pretty pathetic answer. Midtown is a vibrant place to live where people, including you as I have often seen you and your charming wife walking, enjoy walking to restaurants and venues such as Thai Basil and LevelUp. If you took the time to understand the area around the proposed project you would know that the St. Francis senior living tower (not exactly the most pedestrian friendly or architectural appealing neighbor on J Street in Midtown) has a big giant concrete wall on the west end facing the project. I seriously doubt any of the seniors are or will be effected by this great project!
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