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Editorial: Facebook and community

by Ben Ilfeld, published on February 2, 2009 at 7:00 PM

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Jill Duman's column "My View: We need more than Facebook 'friendship'" in The Sacramento Bee today is scary. However, the online comments below the story are encouraging. Link here.

I am having trouble actually putting together a proper response, but I will try.

The thrust of the column is that Facebook cannot replace real friendships and community. That could have made for a fine column. Unfortunately, she uses most of her column to demean those who participate in social networks while dismissing the community these networks foster. Hint: facebook does not replace friendship, it supplements. Facebook is a tool.

Here are a few choice cuts with some of my responses:

"[Facebook] apparently is the grown-up equivalent of asking everyone you know to sign your yearbook. It's Facebook, and it gives people with too little to do (or a lot of work to avoid) a way of creating a personal billboard in cyberspace."

Nice way to start the discussion, demean the people who use online social networking services. Oh, by the way, Jill has a profile on linkedin.com.

The notion that a service like facebook is the equivalent of yearbook signing makes me a little sick. Hundreds of software engineers toil to build something special just so that she can spit on their work. I guess newspapers are just like toilet paper that you can read?

"I suppose there are advantages to using Facebook. It's certainly a good networking tool for the thousands of us who are unemployed or underemployed. It's a way to keep track of family bloodlines and avoid inadvertent intermarrying."

More of the same demeaning. Thanks for the solid insights. She goes on:

"It allows us all to quickly check in and skim headlines from the lives of people wanting to maintain us as friends – here a great job; there a wonderful apartment in the big city; across the country, a new baby."

This is where I find the column takes a turn for the scary. She clearly realizes, through her sarcasm, that Facebook is delivering important news people care about. This is the kind of thing newspapers should stand up and notice! This is the kind of thing newspapers ought to emulate! Instead of celebrating personal and local news, Jill dismisses it. I honestly fear that this kind of thinking is rattling around inside The Bee.

I want our local newspaper to survive and thrive. This is my plea to stop this kind of madness. Facebook is a tool. It is not a community, it is a tool for community building. It is a way to deliver news and information. It is a way to allow for responsiveness and multi-dimensional conversation. Facebook is not your enemy, it is a tool.

Please use it to drive readership and inform young people about local news. Please use it to get feedback from your readers and create rich conversations. Do not print things that demean 95% of young people who graduated college in the last few years. Please stop putting down the readers and writers of the next century. Make an honest effort at this and fight back. Do not fade into the sunset and then blame fantastic services like facebook while you willingly disconnect with the future contributors who want to make Sacramento better.

"I guess what is troubling about all this cybercontact is that it creates the illusion of community without the commitment. Facebook will allow two dozen former friends to reconnect, but will they really do more than exchange e-mail addresses? Will they watch each other's children grow up? Could you really call a long-lost Facebook friend with a dissolving marriage, a positive biopsy or an imploding mortgage?"

I have to say, the answer to all those questions is: YES! I do not want to get into personal details, but reconnecting with someone from high school on MySapce led me to a wonderful and fulfilling relationship with my girlfriend. When someone gets sick or is getting divorced, Facebook can bring so much love from friends. Then those people can go meet up in person.

I suppose if by using Facebook I abdicated my right to actually go see people in person then the column would make some sense, but that is hogwash. Facebook friending is not about relieving you of your duties as a friend, family member, or community member. All it does is allow for a richer relationship with more communication. It is a supplement, not a substitute. People love real community. Online social networking is built on the idea that people love community.

"In a real community, you meet over common ground – the bike path, the dog park, the PTA meeting. You share interests and concerns. And most important, you respond. You're the back-up baby-sitter or kid pick-up. You have the needed hammer, wrench or phone number.

"You'll pick up your neighbor's newspaper when they're on vacation. You'll buy Girl Scout cookies or Boy Scout popcorn. And when someone dies, you'll bring a casserole, go to the funeral and hug the bereaved."

Real communities can benefit using tools like Facebook:

  • create support for the bike path and organize an event on Facebook to keep it clean once a month.
  • create a dog park group to pressure local government to add the second gate that is so sorely needed
  • take the PTA online so that parents who cannot attend can watch a video uploaded to facebook of the meeting and respond with comments below
  • ask your friends for a recommendation of a baby sitter or see who has time to help watch the little ones (same with pick-up, hammer, or wrench)
  • The Girl Scouts would make a killing selling their cookies using a facebook application
  • these days when someone young dies many times their MySpace page becomes a living memorial to that person

 

Whew! You all get the idea.

One final time: Facebook is a tool. Real communities and real friends communicate and interact in absolutely vital, engaging ways using social networks. You don't have to use them or like them, but please do not attack those of us who do. And if you work for The Bee please ask your editor to respond and distance yourselves from this kind of mentality.

By the way, I have a feeling the column will make it onto The Sacramento Press facebook page.

 

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February 2, 2009 | 7:46 PM
I one hundred percent agree with you, most likely because Im a skateboarder who pounds Mountain Dew, watches Punked all day while lying on a couch.

I actually do agree with you completely and feel almost bad for Jill Duman, best of luck Jill.
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edited on  February 4, 2009 | 3:30 PM
I agree that she seems out of touch in a sense, but think about it this way: it takes people with all different views to allow conversation. If she didn't feel this way then we wouldn’t be talking about it. She has some points but again it is just an opinion, and like other things we all have them, just as it takes having jerks in the world to recognize nice people such as Nicholas Walsh. If everybody was nice then Nicolas would just be another guy. Peace & Love
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February 2, 2009 | 8:08 PM
Great response to a snarky column. I'm on the tail end of the Boomer generation (Generation Jones is more apt) and agree with your assessment of Facebook's pluses and potential. It is what you make it. Too bad she doesn't get that.
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edited on  June 7, 2009 | 2:28 AM
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February 3, 2009 | 10:49 AM
How sad is it really though, that print is dying? It's an old medium and imagine how much less paper/trees will be used and less garbage sent to landfills, when everything moves online.

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February 2, 2009 | 9:12 PM
I am amazed that The Bee, at this critical juncture, would publish something so poorly thought through (on its op-ed page, no less!) and so contrary to the spirit of the times. And the technology of the times. It's a slap in the face of all the people who are finding new and exciting ways to connect, to get news, to build community - at just the point that The Bee is on the verge of becoming completely irrelevant to all of the above.
Weird, really.
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February 2, 2009 | 9:22 PM
key word, irrelevant
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February 2, 2009 | 9:20 PM
Actually the Bee column echoes many of my misgivings about online social networking. But ultimately, I just shrug and don't worry about it. "Tool?" Great low-tech word. Ben, you are so right!
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February 2, 2009 | 10:27 PM
I'm not concerned with Jill's opinion. Truly just a drop in the bucket compared to 150 million Facebook users.
At least with a virtual community, the only virus you can get is on your computer. See, Facebook is healthier.

Facebook facts
http://www.facebook.com/press/info.php?statistics

Community
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community



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February 2, 2009 | 10:35 PM
True that.
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February 2, 2009 | 11:28 PM
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/james_surowiecki_on_the_turning_point_for_social_media.html
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edited on  February 3, 2009 | 12:58 AM
I was listening to NPR the other day, and there was a segment about social networking sites. The main thrust of the segment was that they, by themselves, are not adequate substitutes for human contact, and it had some research behind it. This is something that I can totally agree with. However, sites like facebook are excellent (and I hate to belabor the word) tools to arrange actual social contact.

That said, I do think that periods of disconnectedness are as important as community, and when you are constantly available by cell phone or internet, that kind of solitude can be lacking.
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February 3, 2009 | 1:13 AM
I absolutely agree.
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February 3, 2009 | 9:08 AM
Guess where I read the article? On my porch in the actual freaking newspaper! She makes some valid points, too bad it was a bit humorless. I guess I'm old school but I like to read the sports page on the throne. Doing that with a laptop seems a bit silly.

And I'm all over the Internet. Add me! ;)
www.myspace.com/mcgregorfun
http://www.youtube.com/user/McGregorradio
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/profile.php?id=1214672563&ref=profile
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mcgregorshots/

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February 3, 2009 | 9:43 AM
There is no denying (or there shouldn't be) that our social atmosphere is constantly in flux. Just as we no longer need smoke signals to reach the nearest neighbor, many of us cannot make meaningful contact solely through face to face interactions. i have lived in many places, and i am so happy to be able to stay in touch with friends who i am not able to see every week, when the 2000 miles between us precludes coffee on thursdays. we now live in a global community and i for one am glad that our means of staying in touch with loved ones has expanded to accommodate that change. for jill's sake, i hope that she and our printed media realizes this before it's too late...
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February 3, 2009 | 10:54 AM
exactly. facebook has helped me stay connected with friends from around the world I've met while traveling. And we are meeting up soon as well, so even though they live 4,000 or so miles away, facebook is actually helping to cultivate a "face to face" relationship.
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February 3, 2009 | 9:53 AM
The Internet, for me, has always been a means to an end and not an end itself.
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February 3, 2009 | 10:35 AM
A quote: "Please use it to drive readership and inform young people about local news." Why just young people??? I read several items about Facebook on the internet and AARP members find it useful too. Like most things it can be extremely useful and it can be frivolous--all depends on the user. I say go for it, but I also hope those users don't limit themselves to just that for social interaction..
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February 3, 2009 | 12:12 PM
I stand corrected. This is a tool for everyone.

Thank you.
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February 3, 2009 | 1:06 PM
This lady apparently never participated in a pen pal program when she was in elementary school ... allowing her to create a lasting relationship with someone on the other side of the world that she trusted and knew very well through writing long and sometimes time-consuming letters, but never had the opportunity to meet for coffee on a weekly basis ...

hmmmm....
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February 3, 2009 | 2:28 PM
Jill should have done some research. With some data and anecdotal evidence it would have meant more. Of course, most of both of those would have disproven her argument. It really should have been subjugated to the letters column and cut down.
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February 3, 2009 | 4:25 PM
I'd like to mention that I think print media is still valuable, and that I am foursquare against an absolutely electronic media. The fact is, anything on the internet is very mutable, and to a certain degree, untrustworthy. Having a hard copy provides a valuable record that is not dependent on the whims of electric and telephone companies.
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February 3, 2009 | 4:44 PM
I beg to disagree. First, not being mutable does not mean that the information is more or less accurate than information that can be changed over time.

Second, actual print is prone to decay over time unless carefully preserved. Because digital information can be easily copied it is much more likely to remain in tact and more widely available over time. Just because something is stored and represented digitally does not make it a wiki or at the whim of anyone to change or take away.

The focus of this editorial was really about social networking not about print vs. electronic distribution. But if that is where the debate is headed, I have some thoughts on that issue as well.
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February 3, 2009 | 5:06 PM
I would like to point out that print media is not any more trustworthy than electronic media, but slightly harder to alter after the fact. There are many examples of news articles going up on the CNN, MSNBC, NY Times, and others, and then being removed without comment several hours later.

And I think my point about electronic media depending on the whim of electric and telecommunications companies is still valid.
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February 3, 2009 | 7:52 PM
Holy shit, I don't know what's funnier, the lameness of the original column, or that someone felt the need to write a passionate rant against it, as if some crank in Davis was in danger of dismantling Facebook with her critical newspaper column. I don't know the exact process in how columns are picked, but my guess is that it went something like this: 1) Community member agrees to write something for the Bee for a fee probably comparable to what SacPress writers get. 2) She turns in rambling column near deadline, 3) Editor decides that a rambling local opinion is a little bit better than grabbing something generic from the wire. 4) Column is printed.
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February 4, 2009 | 12:57 AM
The Sacramento Press does not pay any staff writers. It is a community driven online publication. We currently do not pay any person to exclusively write for our publication.
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February 4, 2009 | 3:18 AM
Yep, that's my point (I imagine Duman gets some kind of freelance rate, but it's certainly not nearly enough to think that the Bee considers her to be the next Marcos Breton)
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February 4, 2009 | 2:26 PM
"Holy shit, I don't know what's funnier, the lameness of the original column, or that someone felt the need to write a passionate rant against it"

Do you also find it funny that someone felt the need to write a comment that disapproved of the passionate rant that disapproved of the column?
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Dan
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February 4, 2009 | 3:23 PM
Not really. The funny is in the passion.
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February 5, 2009 | 10:07 PM
I have a Facebook page and I really enjoy it. I have fun seeing what friends and even clients are doing throughout the day. Honestly, it can waste time if I let it. I think the key is to keep a balance and to realize what the rant is saying, that Facebook is a tool. It's not the real thing, but only a supplement.

However, I will say this. I used to keep a blog for about four years, but I became increasingly troubled when I would be experiecing something and creating a memory and then think "I need to blog about this." It was as if my cyber-life was interfering with my real life. Can any of you relate to what I am saying? That really bothered me and caused me to question the real reason for a blog and whether it was a good tool for me to have.
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February 7, 2009 | 9:52 AM
I totally agree.

I honestly think that being a blogger takes something extra. I don't even use social networks that often.

I think the easier it is to share experiences with one another the more likely I am to integrate that sharing in my life. I hope these tools become easier to integrate rather than more invasive.
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February 18, 2009 | 11:09 AM
Facebook promotes face-to-screen interaction, but it can also promote face-to-face meetings. I use Facebook to help people learn about our local Sacramento events and our free social networking site for singles.
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Phil
http://www.ProGuildSocial.com
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