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by Kathleen Haley, published on May 20, 2010 at 4:47 PM

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Sacramento City Councilman Ray Tretheway has backtracked on allegations he made at a press conference Wednesday that six influential businesspeople unsuccessfully pressured him to participate in a quid pro quo situation. The Sacramento Press recorded Wednesday’s press conference and has published links to audio recordings of Tretheway’s quotes below.

In a phone interview Wednesday evening with The Sacramento Press, Tretheway said he did not mean to name all six as participants. Instead, he said only one of the businesspeople — Steve Ayers — is to blame for the quid pro quo situation.

Tretheway, who is running for re-election in June, said at the Wednesday press conference that he was told he could gain an endorsement from Mayor Kevin Johnson if he voted in favor of placing a “strong mayor” proposal on the November ballot.

Johnson is leading an effort to change the city’s government functions in order to give the mayor more authority. He has endorsed Tretheway’s opponent, Angelique Ashby.

During his press conference, Tretheway said the following people pressured him to vote for a strong mayor proposal: developer Mark Friedman, developer Mike Heller, steel businessman Steve Ayers, developer Steve Goodwin, developer Jon Bagatelos and attorney Jeffrey Dorso.

In phone interviews Wednesday, Ayers, Goodwin, Bagatelos and Friedman each said they did not participate in a quid pro quo situation.  

In a meeting earlier this week, Friedman said he met with Tretheway and four others. Friedman said he and the others discussed the strong mayor proposal and its merits with Tretheway at the meeting, but did not talk about the councilman’s re-election campaign or an endorsement from Johnson.

Heller, who is currently in Europe, wrote his response to Tretheway’s allegations in a Thursday e-mail to The Sacramento Press. “Weeks ago I discussed with (Tretheway) why I thought charter reform was good for Sac and encouraged him to consider but he said no,” Heller wrote.

“I accepted his answer and actually told him the following day that I decided to support his re-election. So I really (have) no idea what Ray is doing here or why. Very disappointing and NOT true.”

Listen to the audio recording of Tretheway’s May 19 press conference:

Tretheway, Quote 1

“In the last month, I have met three times with leadership from the group of 60. I was specifically told that if I put the strong mayor initiative on the ballot in November, the mayor would be ready to give me his endorsement and make certain I am re-elected. I don’t trade votes, regardless of political consequences.”

Tretheway, Quote 2

"The leadership of the group of 60, as I said — the last month, month and a half — the leadership included — who I talked with, at three different meetings — was — I wrote them down so I could remember — was Mike Heller, Mark Friedman, Steve Ayers, Jeff Dorso, Steve Goodwin and Jon Bagatelos."

Tretheway, Quote 3

“In one of the three meetings ... they directly shared with me that the mayor was ready to give me his endorsement and work actively for my re-election.”

Listen to the entire press conference:


 

Managing Editor Colleen Belcher contributed reporting to this article. Staff Reporter Jonathan Mendick contributed technical assistance with the audio recordings.

Kathleen Haley is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press.

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May 20, 2010 | 5:35 PM
This isn't so much a 'backtracking' as it is a clarification of some detailed conversations with members of KJ's 'Group of 60', or more properly termed, 'GANG of 60 THUGS'...

The title of this article is misleading and indicates a bias in your journalism.

You might rethink that if you want to maintain any credibility among reasonably prudent evolved and thinking individuals who read your pieces, especially in light of what appeared to be your prior favoritism on behalf of the mayor...
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May 21, 2010 | 5:58 AM
If you're going to maiintain this clarification by Tretheway as 'backtracking', where is your story about Ashby's BACKTRACKING on the SMI???

First she was against it -- now she's for it, having secured mayor fop's endorsement...

At least TRY to be FAIR with your 'journalism'....(for want of a better word)...
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May 21, 2010 | 7:34 AM
You keep asking this and I keep answering -- so you know your argument is without merit... But I will repeat the answer for the benefit of others who may not have seen the Q&A.

Angelique has been totally consisteent on the whole Strong Mayor initiative issue:

- Favors a charter revision as it is woefully out of date;
- Was adamantly opposed to the back-room-drafted fatally-flawed version that qualified for the June ballot;
- Spoke before council in opposition of the measure as it was originally written
- Favored it being on the June ballot, since postponing it would have exposed the city to a lawsuit on account of the lack of legal precedent for delaying it;
- Said she would have voted "no" on that measure and would have advised everyone she knew to do the same;
- Is UNDECIDED on the new "watered-down" PROPOSAL because at this point it is only a PowerPoint presentation with bullet points, NOT a written measure that can be studied and scrutinized BECAUSE the public input stage is now JUST BEGINNING and will NOT be written until the public has had its opportunity to weigh in.

Angelique opposed the original crappy initiative for all the same reasons you did but is open to considering (but NOT committed to supporting) a new version YET TO BE WRITTEN that addresses all of the community's concerns.

You and others seem to be willing to impose a one strike rule on the strong mayor concept: the first measure was so bad that it doesn't deserve a better attempt, no matter how sensible it MIGHT be. Angelique is not willng to dismiss something she hasn't even seen yet -- nobody has because it doesn't exist yet. If it makes sense and the community supports it, fine. If not, not fine. Simple enough!
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edited on  May 21, 2010 | 9:11 AM
I'm looking for another opinion, just like when one physician diagnoses you with a disease, but then you find out he's a quack.... with a history of malpractice lawsuits behind him....
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May 21, 2010 | 3:09 PM
Sharward, why does Ashby consider the charter "woefully out of date." Specifically.

"You and others seem to be willing to impose a one strike rule on the strong mayor concept: the first measure was so bad that it doesn't deserve a better attempt, no matter how sensible it MIGHT be."

Sensible? Johnson got voted into a role he's not qualified for and didn't want. he wanted more power. immediately. how sensible is that?

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May 20, 2010 | 6:09 PM
Tretheway does this all the time -- he says things that are false (some call that "lying") and then appears to be surprised when people call him on his false statements.

I witnessed this myself on many occasions and even wrote about it once -- see http://bit.ly/Tretheway_Denies_Impact_of_RTs_Bus_Service_Cuts_on_Natomas_Residents
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edited on  May 20, 2010 | 8:29 PM
Mr Sharward, I disagree with your comment. I think you may be bias appearing to have a pony in this race. I wish people would just keep it real. You can make your pony look good without attempting to make someone else look like a lying donkey. I read comments on this and another site where you praise Ashby and when comments, slurs, insulting humor remarks are made to belittle Tretheway you find humor in it. But when a comment is made against Asbhy you are offended and find it unfair.

Sadly, you’re not being honest when you say, "Tretheway does this all the time--- he says things that are false (some call that "lying") and then appears to be surprised when people call him on his false statements" IF you want people to respect your opinion towards your pony in this race you might want to consider being honest and not fabricate and exaggerate towards your candidates opponent. Otherwise she has the endorsement of Johnson - who has questionable ethics, the support/ assistance of Maviglio who some of us question as well and then you on the site distorting truth towards Tretheway. That sends red flags and she could be honest and worthy of office but surrounded by people who we should watch out for and that's scary.
I agree with bbbbmer, In my heart I believe the man was not backtracking but clarifying and I am glad he did so, Too err is human and he was man enough to put a stop to it instead of riding with the flow of dirty politics..... It would be nice to see your candidate say enough is enough lets talk about the issues how I will improve this district..... But I guess she isn't as caring.... as you have often made her out to be..... Or is her care, concern, conditional or selective???
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May 20, 2010 | 9:22 PM
bbbbmer you mean Burlesqueoni? owns the media too. just like here!!!
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May 20, 2010 | 9:24 PM
Rhonda you can lead a pony to water but you can't make it drink Kool Aid.
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edited on  May 20, 2010 | 9:52 PM
Mr. Carhartt, to muse satirically about a public figure is not 'slanderous' -- nor is asserting anything about a public figure that I believe to be true -- even if based on a backstory chat from a source I trust.

Though I am not a practicing lawyer, you might try earning a law degree before making such claims about 'slander'.... I did.

Btw, I never claimed 'enlightenment' -- just good taste...
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May 21, 2010 | 7:05 AM
Rhonda, I appreciate your sentiments and will take them to heart. I am many things in this race: a defender of honor when unfair/disrespectful/untrue statements are made about Angelique, a fact checker when the incumbent makes statements that are untrue (which DOES happen all the time) -- but above all, I am human, and sometimes I make mistakes. When I do, and they are brought to my attention respectfully, I try to take corrective action.

In this case, I stand by my comments here. I listened to the recordings and it is clear to me that the "clarification" Tretheway made amounts to a backpedal and it was only done because he was held to account for his false statements. I am convinced that if those he openly accused/defamed had challenged him, he would have let his farce of a press conference resonate.

As for my tone and support on JoeSacramento.com where you and I participate regularly, I agree that my comments there are supportive of the publisher's satire. I will take your remarks into consideration in my future participation, but I think there there is a difference between commentary on a news Web site versus a blog that has a long history of edgy commentary of its own. I do think it's OK for one to loosen one's tie in that kind of setting. In short, the owner of the house sets the rules, and I follow them. That said, sometimes restraint is in order, and I'll remember your words as I move forward,

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May 21, 2010 | 9:09 AM
Oh well. I don't seek to curry favor with bumpkins, Mr. Carhartt...
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edited on  May 21, 2010 | 1:02 PM
I'm sure you have a point -- a nonsensical one, but a point nonetheless... I have no clue what or whom you mean by 'Aunt Charlie', and though I'm curious, I'm unconcerned...

Guyana??? Can't you even SPELL your lame epithet correctly???

And yes, my 30th law school reunion will be next year -- and I am looking forward to it... and it's nowhere near Guyana....
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May 21, 2010 | 6:48 PM
Kevin, you wrote you stand by your comments here... But your comment here is "Tretheway does this all the time -- he says things that are false (some call that "lying") and then appears to be surprised when people call him on his false statements."- I still disagree You seem to have brushed over that concern which I have. But we can agree to disagree. I've been on this topic for too long. I'm not trying to do damage control merely state my opinion. Thanks for the response and thank you for the respectful tone of the response.
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May 21, 2010 | 7:54 PM
You're welcome, Rhonda.

And not to beat a dead horse, but I made a statement and I cited an example via a link that quotes him word for word in a false statement and the evidence to back it up. But I respect the fact that you're not convinced.

I too appreciate your respectful tone and look forward to agreeing with or not agreeing with you in the future.
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May 20, 2010 | 6:15 PM
Tretheway said he wrote the names down so he could remember who allegedly pressured him, but why did he say all six pressured him and then he says only Steve Ayers pressured him? If he pulls those names shouldn't he have accused Ayers only, the first time?

As councilman you never want to be in that kind of situation, publicly accusing six local businesspeople of pressuring you for support of the mayor and then withdrawing five of those names. You say who pressured you the first time so you don't have to pull out names later on.

And if the mayor is responsible on his part, he shouldn't have done what he did. Nothing has been proven on either side yet. It's a serious situation and should be resolved soon. In the end, the one who's guilty should have know that they're in public office and what started as something bad in the end just makes you look worse.
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May 20, 2010 | 7:00 PM
Trethway is lucky he can remember his own name -
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May 20, 2010 | 7:04 PM
so the pressure of 60 "businessmen" was applied via 6 and articulated by 1. sort of like johnson wants the pressure of Sacramento voters to be applied via 9 and controlled by 1 -- him.
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May 20, 2010 | 8:55 PM
I also agree with your post
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May 20, 2010 | 9:26 PM
and until there's a legal solution, HE would also be the new 9th council member!
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May 21, 2010 | 7:39 AM
I think that terrible flaw is specifically NOT included in the current sketch of the initiative being vetted -- we'll have to wait and see.
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May 20, 2010 | 9:28 PM
Faux pas? You mean stepping on the flaming bag of poo that this Gang of Grifters left on his doorstep?You actually think he took the risk of "naming names" without good cause. You think after this mystery talking-to he realized he'd been sleepwalking. WAKE UP PAUL.
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edited on  May 20, 2010 | 11:21 PM
Paul, I don't have a horse in this race. I know I didn't "suddenly" become altruistic I've always tried to care about others. Many who post cared long before this horse left the gate, long before this race they were concerned, unselfishly, for the community and concerned of the pirates attempting to hijack local government before Ahsby. It’d be interesting to see Ashby and those who appear to stand up for her by attempting to knock down one opponent to show unselfish concern for the welfare of others. Yes, I've heard him called names but never a LIAR until this race against Ashby. I don’t believe an old dog suddenly found new tricks . It would be nice to see Ashby supporters stop caring only about Ashby and her needs by any means necessary and attempting to destroy a person who dedicated his time as best as he could and did so from his heart.... Yes, he made mistakes but he does not possess a mean streak.... It's an office a city office for a public servant for goodness sake why destroy the man's character with falsehoods???. Ashby and Tretheway aren't the only candidates. He doesn't have to be "my guy" for me to care. People don't have to throw Tretheway under a bus labeling him a liar because Ashby is "their" gal. If she was all that it seems her camp would focus on her abilities verses spending time to find an opponents inadequacies, focus on the truth instead of lying on the man. We reap what we sow and if this is the harvest which Ashby wants to surround us with then I don’t see much flourishing, in fact even the trees Tretheway surrounded the district with will fall down with this mean-spirited drought from some of Ashby's supporters.
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edited on  May 20, 2010 | 11:00 PM
naga, I could not agree more. It's disturbing seeing people who might otherwise be good caring individuals behave as gang members assassinating the mans character- to get someone into what is suppose to be a public office-- - Shame on them And they can lead a horse to water (Ashby into office) but unfortunately they can end up making her drink (all their selfish needs). If Ashby was capable of standing up on her own without them and capable of standing up to them WHY isn't she standing up to this mess by those supporting her? Sometimes it's not what you do -- BUT what you don't do that speaks volumes and shows what will be..
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edited on  May 21, 2010 | 2:05 PM
paul for someone who calls others "naive" you are either not thinking this through or you are another fake trying to insert nonsensical ideas in here. When logic is pointed out to you you say "Take a chill."

"Uh, Tretheway is the one who recanted/backtracked/clarified....whatever." So what? They all pressured him, threatened him, he named names, got a talking to and said only one of them actually said the words/deal/scam. if your pal and candidate gets elected, better hope they don't work there nasty tricks on her.
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May 21, 2010 | 3:13 PM
ya sure, paul? so sorry. so which is it: you are either not thinking this through or you are another fake trying to insert nonsensical ideas in here. not naive at all.
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May 21, 2010 | 6:38 PM
Paul, I. seriously, appreciate your tone as well... However, I disagree with your comment since Tretheway handling of "signgate". Heck it is no difference than Asbby handling of Tretheway being strong-armed into supporting the SMI. Tretheway wasn't out taking down signs but it appears you want him to speak up (and I think he should have) just as I expect rather wanted Ashby to speak up. For goodness sake I wouldn't want an endorsement given to me because someone else wouldn't fall prey to the dirty games being played. But it appears she might want the office by any means necessary--hook or crook. You've worked with her so you may see more in her than I do but what I see isn't a pretty picture. It's just hard when I heard the same thing about Johnson during the Johnson vs Fargo campaign he'll hold himself accountable for the goals.... - when my heart told me otherwise, told me never open a door to an evil, however small, for other and greater ones will creep in after it from their ambush. Ashby could have done good work in your community but right now she's flocking with some unsavory birds. IF she wins I hope you're right and hope she‘ll stand up and on the pedestal some have put her on. I'm sure Natomas will hold her accountable I know I will since she will have a vote on matters which pertain outside of her district--- matters which could affect the community as a whole.. I hope she is a fighter because she will have a heck of a fight on her hands if she wins and if she becomes a bottle head for Johnson on the council.
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May 21, 2010 | 7:31 PM
nice diversion carhartt. can't answer can you?

"Uh, Tretheway is the one who recanted/backtracked/clarified....whatever." So what? They all pressured him, threatened him, he named names, got a talking to and said only one of them actually said the words/deal/scam. if your pal and candidate gets elected, better hope they don't work there nasty tricks on her.
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May 21, 2010 | 6:40 AM
how many student loans are you trying to pay off bbbbmer for that law degree you aren't using? as to rhonda's point, most people slant their views towards their pony in the race. for example, a republican takes bribes and bbbbmer is all over him/her. if a democrat were to takes bribes, bbbbmer blames the republicans for trying to bribe the democrat. that is the irony and hypocracy of bbbbmer and from what i have read from naga and any other party following lemming. the same is true on the other side. sean hannity, rush limbaugh, ann coulter, etc. followers do the same thing

frankly,i am suprised that most people are still suprised at the actions of KJ, thretheway and any other politician/businessperson. being in those positions is an ego trip and that is all they are feeding. the sad part is you have to be connected to get elected. and being connected means you can be bought. it is a sick, vicious cycle and one that won't be fixed for a long time. money is power and power is money. i don't agree with it, but it is the way life, politics and business are run. rhonda you are a good person and it is people like you that actually make the difference in this world. unlike bbbmer, you actually get out into the community and put your words into action. keep up your good work and this world will be fine.
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edited on  May 21, 2010 | 12:56 PM
'strychnine' -- your jealousy continues to consume you... Good...
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May 21, 2010 | 2:11 PM
my opposition to fascism has nothing to do with party. you are an enabler if you mean what you say. you want business running gubmint? you want 60 business bullies announcing they run the town now? do you vote?
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May 21, 2010 | 2:56 PM
Naga, you have an amazing wit -- I'm impressed!
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May 21, 2010 | 3:02 PM
not this impressive:

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
- George Santayana

“The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.”
- Abraham Lincoln

selfish, insolent, criminal conspirators want to install a despot.
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May 21, 2010 | 6:09 PM
strychinine: Thank you for the kind words. I agree most people slant their views towards their pony in a race. I just wish they’d be honest. Also, in this case bbbmer doesn't have a pony in this race. Bbbbmer isn't and from what I can see hasn't lied on anyone. Heck, truth is a powerful weapon and bbbbmer calls it like he or she sees it without lying on people. I believe you can catch more bees with honey than vinegar but to each it's own. I'm not a bee catcher. I follow my heart and I respect Bbbbmer for following his or hers. Heck, Martin L. King needed Malcolm, and Malcolm need Martin heck we're not talking bees we're talking about dirty rats and rats grow tired of the sweetness of honey and could use a big trap to catch them and stop them from multiplying…(and that’s not intended to be disrespectful) Bbbbber doesn't have to be out into the community to make a difference apparently he or she makes a difference from posting because her (or his) comments are not ignored and if they weren't a threat I don't think so many would attack him (or her) at once. As far as his or her tone heck a prize fighter should punch quick and hard and from what I can read bbbbmer is often personally attacked ambushed not one on one. Whether it's a soft tone or an Hawaiian punch I respect and appreciate it as long as it is with truth. Heck, I respect and appreciate bbbbmer for the prize fighter that he or she is and I respect and appreciate naga for the wit that he or she has because they both carry it with truth and they both put substance behind it and can knock out an opponent. I think that’s why they’re personally attacked it’s a distraction because they have the ability to set the record straight. That said, I agree with what you wrote regarding money and power, connected to get elected..... It's sad so very sad and no wonder the city, county, state, federal government is in deficit.......people blinded by money and blinded by dirty politics---- blind leading the blind
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May 21, 2010 | 10:57 PM
Thanks Rhonda -- you're insights and compassion never cease to amaze me, and I am very grateful that you're back...
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May 22, 2010 | 12:12 AM
bbbbmer, I'm glad to be back and glad you are here and hope you will continue to let the sun shine in. What is done in the dark will come to light and you put a spotlight on the truth. I am grateful for you and all that I have learned reading your posts.
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May 21, 2010 | 2:48 PM
So now Ray's story is that Ayers is the only businessman that pressured him into supporting SMI.

Glad that's all cleared up.

But we should fully expect another press conference next week where Ray will suddenly allude to a mysterious 2nd businessman that pressured him from a grassy knoll.
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May 21, 2010 | 3:04 PM
they all pressured him. one guy said it.
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May 21, 2010 | 3:21 PM
Ashby was an exotic dancer? Wow that's a pretty juicy story. I don't recognize her from any of the local clubs though. I wonder what her stage name was.

Seem to be some pretty worked up Trethaway supporters. That's cool, stand by your man. As a rather impartial observer all I can say is that Ray is coming out of this sounding like a nutcase.

Look at the facts... He calls a press conference specifically to shine light on some underhandedness related to SMI lobbying, which in itself is a little bit immature. And then a guy who has been a public figure for 8 years plus manages garbles the very same message which is the entire point of the press conference. Pull it together Ray.

Now back to the exotic dancer story. If you can get some photos as proof that would be really great. I will need very high resolution photos, quite a lot of them in fact. I will to examine them very closely. Thanks.
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May 21, 2010 | 6:55 PM
I never really knew how much about Sacramento politics I had no clue about.

@ Rhonda E. - could you do me a favor - giant blocks of text are a pain to read in this format. Use the return key if possible.

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May 21, 2010 | 7:32 PM
the more you know, the more you don't wanna know.......
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May 21, 2010 | 9:40 PM
dahogre: My apologies. Sometimes (more often than not- lol) I get carried away......putting contents into paragraphs is also a good idea for me to follow. lol - I won't be offended if you over look my rants/ comments.

naga: lol, you're so right. Heck, the less I knew the happier I was. lol - Ignorance is bliss . Oh, the good ol days... (well they weren't so good but sure as heck weren't as painful). lol
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May 22, 2010 | 12:07 AM
naga, lol ---heck am I suppose to get some koolaid to wash down the often stinky hard boiled eggs tossed down our throats as we're put on a need to know diet??? lol
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May 21, 2010 | 9:40 PM
Despite all the above comments it is clear that Senor Treatheway is connected up with one clique or another. This is all a minor issue. The most important issue here is who will be the best City Council person for District 1. It is obvious that the existence of domestic homeless refugees in the downtown area is a major issue along with other critical issues. We should be working together to help the people of Sacramento, not merely debate over trivial matters.
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May 21, 2010 | 10:57 PM
What Tretheway has done to his district is by no means trivial
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May 22, 2010 | 8:00 AM
I think this whole episode comes down to this:

Tretheway held a news conference to proclaim he is honorable and a man of his convictions duly representing the best interests of the City of Sacramento, and that he was threatened by six prominent developers and businessmeen with not receiving the mayor's endorsement and support in his re-election campaign if he did not vote to put a more modest form of the strong mayor initiative on the ballot.

He then changed his story, saying it was actually only one man who made the threat.

And the man who allegedly made the threat adamantly denies that it happened.

Whether you believe Tretheway's version of the story or his key claims of honor are up to you -- but what is clear and what Tretheway himself admits to is that the whole premise of the press conference is invalid.

To call a press conferences to announce serious allegations against six people, only to recant the story and scope it down to one, strikes me as an abuse of the trust he has (or had?) with our press. It was a desperate political stunt done within 20 days of Election Day.

The man is desperate, confused, inarticulate, and lacks credibility, as evidenced by the circus act he performed.

Whether the strong mayor "lite" initiative is worthy of the November ballot is a worthwhile debate and I'm looking forward to participating in the forums and reading the language that comes out of that process. But the people of Sacramento, and District One in particular, will not forget this episode and how what was engineered to make Tretheway appear honorable has actually disgraced him. I'm sure he won no votes this week -- if anything, it put a spotlight on the mayor's endorsement of his rival and showed him to be a liar or very confused, neither of which are fitting traits for an elected member of our city council.
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May 22, 2010 | 8:32 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/22832990/Joint-Staff-Report
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edited on  May 23, 2010 | 9:18 AM
Thank you SacPress for running your hypocritical take on this story... It defines you -- and trust me, you will be remembered for this...

You seem defiant in applying to Tretheway standards you do NOT apply to Ashby...

Shame on you for that!
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May 23, 2010 | 8:58 AM
I feel sorry for your husband - is he heavily sedated?
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May 23, 2010 | 9:19 AM
No, but you should be.
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May 23, 2010 | 3:02 PM
bbbbmer: lol Your comment made me chuckle. And, I almost fell out my chair with the Kelly Besimone reference. lol - My gal is Bethnany. It's good to have a laugh every now and then and not take all this to heart.... Heck when I saw Sharward's last post I wanted to comment but heck I just laughed and wondered why the damage control? -- lol

I'm seeing a pattern. You will post a concern / comment and then you're ambushed with personal attacks. I'm glad to see you not letting it throw you off your game. Heck, I can see why you come back swinging and sometimes swing first it seems even when you don't personally attack someone you will still be attacked.

And finally, your husband should be proud!! And Heck with all this practice, being ambushed and fighting back; I BET he doesn't win many - if any-- arguments at home lol.
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edited on  May 23, 2010 | 9:10 PM
REAL HOUSEFRAUS is one of those red-headed stepchildren private indulgences and guilty pleasures I allow myself -- they're all so pathologically neurotic and so heavily scripted in this faux-reality genre, it's HYSTERICAL to me...

Bethenny has my vote too -- she's got BALLS! She's also a good friend of the daughter of Martha Stewart's CEO, and appeared in Martha's own version of 'Apprentice' after Martha was released from prison... Martha is a true hero of mine, btw... and a good Democrat, too...

Plus Andy Cohen is so adorable....

But poor Kelly Bensimone -- what a mess... oy....

I know I shouldn't react to these toxic critters who are just there to express their bile rather than to add to the discussion. But sometimes it's just kind of another form of indulgence to do so, and to do so very wittily, kind of like the old Daffy Duck cartoon where he's spun around on a stick by a Porky Pig zen master...

You might check out Cosmo Garvin's comment on the SNR about Sharward -- he has his own skeletons that are worthy of noting, especially regarding opposition research and tactics...

My husband/partner/mate/lover and all around chief schlep just left for our home in SF, and I'm going to settle down to work for a few hours before the weekend ends...

Finally, Rhonda, you have more balls than so many in this town -- I think you are formidable and a real activist for your neighborhood and this city -- for the good -- unlike certain others who shall remain nameless... I am very very grateful for your unsung service to this community, as are others who have expressed similar sentiments to me about you...

Thank you for your very kind words, and keep on truckin' gurl!!!!

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May 23, 2010 | 11:13 PM
Andy is adorable! And "oy" is right on Kelly. Yes, Yes, Yes, what a mess. lol. Bethenny if my fav cause she's lots like you- tells it like she sees it and let's the chips fall where they may....

I get why you do what you do I can see how it's another form of indulgence. Heck with the current form of deceit, trickery... in Sacramento elected offices, one has to find an outlet when you aren't a part of the deceitful cult, it's a way to vent. The games being played in Sac can drive an attentive
person (with ethics) mad if they don't release it. lol

I'll check out Cosmo's comment. I like him lots he calls it like he sees it and doesn't play games insulting or underestiminating the intelligence of the community and he can't be bought or sold.

Thanks for the kind words heck I'll keep on truckin cause it ain't over til the fat lady sings and this fat chick can't carry a tune so I won't be singing - by the Grace of God and if it's the will of God, I'll just continue with unsung service.
Have a great week.
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May 23, 2010 | 3:52 PM
rhonda, have you ever thought that bbbbmer brings the attacks on himself? he isn't exactly the most respectful poster himself. i am still waiting for that time and place bbbbmer, or are you more bark than bite?
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May 23, 2010 | 5:38 PM
I guess it would be easier to think bbbbmer brings on the attacks herself if I didn't often see so many egging on a response/ attack from bbbbmer. An example: bbbbmer isn't the one right now calling you out on a time and place and suggesting you are all bark than bite.

Your comment could have better served a point if you hadn't came from the ambush to sucker punch bbbbmer when bbbbmer wasn't attacking you. Perhaps if we treat others the way we'd like to be treated we'd get along better, move past the distractions, and stay on point with the concerns.
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May 23, 2010 | 6:13 PM
I want to add; Bbbbmer is a contender! If I were on an opposing side, and if I were a type of person who choose to fight a battle by any means necessary without truth as a weapon, I'd personally attack bbbbmer. Because I seen bbbbmer will fight back and I'd hope to disarm bbbbmer and silence her so that others I'd want to influence would see bbbbmer's personal attacks screaming out over the valid, truthful, knowledgable and insightful comments bbbbmer would bring to the table. I'd expect and hope that bbbbmer would personally attack me back. so the eyes would be off the prize, (the issue at hand) and on the attacks which would cause some to dismiss bbbbmer's points.

I don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind - lol (a little wit to make light of a issue so we'd laugh instead of screaming) But when several attacks one person, when the person has laid it to rest....., well it seems there's more to it than what's on the surface. It's a means to disarm heck
shoot the messenger when you know that particular messenger will shoot back
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May 23, 2010 | 9:12 PM
Strych, blaming the victim is the true mark of an abuser -- and you demonstrate that behaviour in spades by your constant remarks.
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May 24, 2010 | 1:05 PM
yes "strychnine" bbbbmer is the sort of poster that attracts chicken keyboard bullies like you.
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May 23, 2010 | 6:21 PM
Bbbbmer: I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just want to say something in my heart, if you steer clear from the personal attacks ( but still holding on to a little bump and grind - lol) you could be an even greater influence. I see a gift in you that more should open (open their minds) but some won't unwrap it if they're distracted. I'm not talking about an opponent but the folks in the middle who haven't yet chose a side, laying low trying to get in where they fit in.

Please Keep the bump and grind... it's a bow - makes your gift distinct- but don't let personal attacks outweigh your heart, passion, insight, knowledge.

Please don't see this as an insult. I do have great respect for you. I look beyond the personal remarks (distractions) to look at your message but everyone won't do it. You have a gift and when God gives us a gift we should use that gift to bless others. If I didn't value your opinion I wouldn't even say anything but I want more to see what you see, see your gift to see through people and the deceit...... I think your gift is intended for a greater audience, it's not about us, it's about what we bring and girlfriend you can bring it!!!! I just want more to hear it.
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May 23, 2010 | 9:20 PM
I almost never initiate personal attacks -- but I answer them with great gusto, more articulately, with wit and fervor, and that REALLY pisses my opposers off... It's not that I initiate belligerence -- I respond to it with even greater force, and that just galls the recipients...

People of limited abilities and knowledge who have a right wing bent most of the time many times hate those that appear smarter and more achieved and a little higher up on the food chain. THAT is my unfortunate lot in life, and I've developed my own defenses against such people...

Sometimes when a dirty fight is lopped by dirty people with plausible denial to the lopping, it requires responsive tactics that aren't as pretty as one might like. But it is effective -- look how they run (or delete, or clumsily attempt to respond in kind....)

The people who matter know my intent, and like I've expressed before, I answer to no one in this field, except my conscience, and on the side of people of modest means who do the heavy lifting in this town, this state, and this nation -- and the world, frankly...

But, on the other hand, the great author Aldous Huxley, when asked in a deathbed interview, how to solve the world's problems, responded, "Be a little nicer..." I wish I had his wisdom and patience and saintly kindness...

Unfortunately I don't...

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May 23, 2010 | 10:11 PM
bbbbmer: Well said and no argument here. .

You owe no one an explaination, don't have to explain yourself to anyone, and you know who you are and what you stand for, and I really appreciate and respect the fact that you even responded to my previous comment. with an explanation.

I read my comment before I hit submit and thought who the heck do I think I am???. lol But I wanted to see where it would go.... And again, I see your heart.

Heck, if you like it I love it. I love the gusto, articulate words, and the fervor. That's passion baby. The only person you are to answer to on this field is your conscious and by all means continue to let your conscious be your guide.

The only thing I disagree with is your very last line when you wrote, "Unfortunately I don't...." Because I see you differently, you have the wisdom, patience and saintly kindness at least you've always exhibited it towards me. Who am I to suggest how you should or should not respond? You could have blew my hair back. But you didn't.

I agree, you almost never initiate personal attacks and it appears to me your reaction can often times be a reaction of a personal attack towards you. Thank you for responding I really got to know you better; and I continue to like what I see.
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May 24, 2010 | 1:35 AM
Thanks Rhonda -- you're an angel... Take care kiddo....
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May 24, 2010 | 9:50 AM
bbbbmer playing the victim card. bbbbmer, i understand you have probably been part of some sort of abuse in your lifetime due to the life you live. but not everybody is an abuser. if you want to accuse me of something, you better have some facts behind it. oh that's right, you probably missed that part in law school, you know that part called evidence. by the way, i didn't think clown college gave out law degrees.

rhonda, bbbbmer isn't a fighter, he is a complainer. he bitches and moans and sits on the sidelines. i have seen you actually do things, that is why i respect you. bbbbmer floats his degrees out there, his 1000 companies he so-called "oversees" and all of the other garbage that comes out of his mouth. but i have never seen him say he volunteers his time at schools, or WEAVE or any other non-profit organization. what he fails to realize is he is part of the same vicious cycle he constantly complains about.

he acts like a child because he has never grown up. and if he wants to justify that he gets personal because others get personal with him, that is the same as a child calling someone a poophead because another child called him a dumbcrap. its childish, bbbbmer is childish. grow up bbbbmer and get a life HONEY!!!!!!
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May 24, 2010 | 1:08 PM
"strychnine" when you "get a life" you won't be judging other based on what YOU think THEY should be doing. WAKE UP!
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May 24, 2010 | 7:43 PM
We can agree to disagree.

I've had enough of this discussion. You'd think the article was about bbbbmer. It appears more discussion has been on bbbbmer than the article. For someone you say is on the sidelines it appears he's continously put front and center so some can have at it. I have had enough and won't participate in this distraction any further.

LET'S talk about Ashby afterall Ashby is running for District 1 seat --not bbbmer ---I'm more concerned with Ashby since Ashby could win a seat and Ashby appears to condone misconduct when it benefits her. Ashby is my concern. I'd like to talk about Ashby and her turning a blind eye and deaf ear and closing her mouth to integrity and possible illegal behavior................................
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May 24, 2010 | 6:56 PM
gotcha naga. thanks for the insight. but just in case you fail to realize, this is a blog site. judging is exactly what is done here. bbbbmer does it, you do it, i do it. we are human beings, that's what we do is judge people. i have never said people should think the way i do. i only ask that people actually think for themselves and not wait for their party to tell them what to think. but hey, i appreciate your input. i will file it in the "i don't care" folder.
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May 24, 2010 | 9:44 PM
"but i have never seen him say he volunteers his time at schools, or WEAVE or any other non-profit organization. what he fails to realize is he is part of the same vicious cycle he constantly complains about."

"i have never said people should think the way i do."

welcome to the "irrelevant liar" file
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May 24, 2010 | 10:04 PM
...just as jesus said, "forgive him, for he's too dumb to know what he just said..."
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May 25, 2010 | 4:11 PM
Regardless of Tretheway's so-called backtracking, it is clear that some business people were putting the pressure on. whether it was one representing many or six, doesn't matter as much as that the public know there is backroom pressure to give Johnson more power. The real mistake is that Johnson is not clear on the difference between Mayor and President. Councils are, by design, a group of equals with the Mayor as facilitator. He is not the President and the council is not the legislator. We need good equal representation all around and should not be looking to elect messiahs. Over the years, Tretheway has shown his worth for all the citizens of district 1, not just North Natomas. While I admire Ashby for her activism and getting involved, at present, she is too narrow and would not represent the whole of district 1 well.
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February 28, 2011 | 1:46 AM
Rich E., although you are right about this being a blog site, a lot of what I'm reading here would be more appropriate for Facebook or maybe a rant on the Jim Rome show. Then, at least, I could just unfriend those who have nothing logical or reasonable to say, or change the radio station and not have to bother with them in order to get to the good stuff.
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