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by Ed Fogle, published on February 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM

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The City of Sacramento halted efforts to mount Old Soul Co. sign Thursday morning.
Oak Park, Sacramento, CA
February 11, 2010

Excited patrons of the new Old Soul Co. location in Oak Park were eager to see the iconic glistening new sign ready to go up Thursday morning and so was the crew. That eagerness was squelched when a call came to the Alpha Signs' crew, from the city, to halt.

The building at 35th and Broadway is a historical building and though the old Starbucks sign was in the same location, the city won't allow the sign installers to drill new holes in the historic bricks nor is the sign allowed to have any exposed electrical cable. Furthermore, the city wants the sign above the horizontal band of bricks which puts the sign at the level of the 2nd floor apartments rather than the store level where the previous Starbucks sign was located. 

Patrons are upset at the "unnecessary hoop jumping" the city is imposing. They pointed out that the well crafted and beautiful sign is a welcome sight over the boarded up building across the street at 3501 Broadway and other "eyesores" in the area. Alpha Signs did the much larger and elaborate sign installation at Guild Theater next door without issue a few years ago. A spokesman for Alpha Signs is hopeful that things will be ironed out shortly and is optimistic that they will be able to install the sign sometime next week. 

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February 11, 2010 | 5:11 PM
Hard to believe the government would do something to hinder business. Shocking.
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February 11, 2010 | 7:56 PM
Sounds like the sign company got caught by Old Soul's typical devil-may-care attitude about things like permits and city regulations. Old Soul is a frequent user of the city's unofficial "Retroactive Permit Program"--break the rules until you get caught, then in order to avoid a fine, apply for a permit after the fact.

The comparison to the vacant building across the street is just tacky--the city didn't close the business, they just told the sign installer they had to follow the rules. If Old Soul has entered Oak Park with nothing but contempt for the rules of the city and the community, I can't expect that they will last long.

And I'd imagine that Alpha Signs was able to install the Guild sign without incident because the business owner got the proper permits first.
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February 11, 2010 | 9:55 PM
Just additional info: I discovered permits were applied for priror to. Reference to building across the street and other unsightlies was direct quote and feelings of patrons. As for "...can't expect that they will last long": the community is thrilled to have Old Soul there and with not even being open a week yet, they have a steadier daily flow of customers than Starbucks did. Just my observation--it appears to me that they're off to a great start. I have a feeling Old Soul is going to live to a ripe old age there.
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February 11, 2010 | 10:22 PM
The permits were applied for--but were they approved? Often, that's a key point...
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February 11, 2010 | 10:28 PM
Agreed, and that I don't know. I was there as it was happening and it honestly sounded like hoop jumping. I gathered as many facts as I could. Just sharing the facts that I know and trying to accurately convey the goings on today.... from my eyes and ears to your eyeballs. ;-)
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February 12, 2010 | 12:52 AM
Ed, every business has to "jump through hoops." Some get special treatment, have their process smoothed by City planning that caters to business over community interests (such as the FPP), open without being fully permitted and in compliance with multiple jurisdictions and then resist corrections, compliance and cooperation with the community they are impacting. Old Soul Co. treats legal requirements as 'hoops' they don't want to jump through and try to blame others for the inconvenience,, rather than take responsibility for their own actions as business owners.
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February 12, 2010 | 7:08 PM
Hello, it's just fine if people want to give this a "thumbsdown." Except this is fact, not opinion. It is in the public record. They say it themselves, in the press, on TV and even in letters to the ABC when they think they are being inconvenienced by pesky rules (and the public) they have no respect for.
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edited on  February 11, 2010 | 8:22 PM
If one goes to Goggle Maps- Puts 3501 Broadway Sacramento, CA in as the location-uses the street view viewer for the specific location...you can actually see what this discussion is about. My instincts say there was signage that was approved when this project was conceived. Prior to the Preservation Commission we had the DRPB. This project would have been subject to approval by that Board. Those conditions of approval do not go away simply because Starbucks, the tenant...closed up shop and the new tenanat, Old Doul Moves in.

The current street view on Google clearly shows that Underground Books and Starbucks followed those conditions of approval on this historic property. The Guild Theater building is a seperate and unique property with a common wall to 40 Acres. Additionally the signage for the Guilsd is unique to it....Apples and Oranges.

It seems to me there was a lot of Public (SHRA) money and possibly historic preservation tax credits that all went into this project back in the early 2000's/

It's pretty obvious how the approved signage for any tenant at 40 Acres is to occur if you look at the building. Why do you think both Underground Books and Starbucks signs are placed where they are and look the way they do?
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February 11, 2010 | 9:17 PM
Rules - Schmules, building Code - building Schmode - your rules don't apply to me!! that is Old Souls view in Midtown so why would they do business any differently in Oak Park?
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February 11, 2010 | 10:20 PM
City inspectors could find 10 code violations per block in Oak Park if this was simply a matter of following the law. But of course they go after the businessman who is trying to hit a schedule and looks like he might have a few dollars in the bank account.

Meanwhile down the block in OP guys are selling broken dishwashers and stacks of 22" rims right next to the sidewalk, and advertising with signs painted on sheets of plywood.

There reason the city nitpicked this particular "violation" is obvious... the inspectors could write up the infraction report without getting out of the truck! It's good to see folks in the 95817 can sleep easy again, knowing that all their coffee shop signs are at the proper elevation.
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February 12, 2010 | 12:41 AM
Clearly you know nothing about the constant and chronic stream of violations -- of multiple jurisdictions -- by Old Soul Co. since their opening in the alley location. Or the apparent favoritism shown to them, at the expense of other businesses and public safety. If, as you say, there was particular scrutiny paid to this sign, it might be in response to four years of continuous legal infractions by Old Soul Co.

Ask yourself, if they did what they were supposed to do to make sure their sign was legal, why isn't the sign legal?
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February 12, 2010 | 1:49 AM
You're correct, I don't know the history. Marion, reread the info I've posted. I'm not defending Old Soul; only relating the facts of today and bringing clarification where I can. I was present when Alpha received the call, literally in the aerial platform ready to mount the sign. The sign itself is in compliance. The issue is the location, method of mounting and electrical.
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February 12, 2010 | 10:33 AM
Ed: You're relating more opinions than facts--the language of your article clearly makes the case that you sympathize with Old Soul. That's fine, but don't try to backpedal about it.

The issue isn't the shape, size or appearance of the sign--it is, as you say, the location, method of mounting, and electrical connections.
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February 12, 2010 | 11:34 AM
Thanks Mr. Burg. Keep me on track. ;-)
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edited on  February 12, 2010 | 7:13 PM
Ed, I'm sorry, that comment was in reply to Cogmeyer. The format seems to indicate that, but maybe it's a good idea to put the name in, also.

Edit:

"The sign itself is in compliance. The issue is the location, method of mounting and electrical."

That means the sign is not in compliance. The planning for the sign is not in compliance. That cord sounds like something to consider ahead of time, too.
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February 12, 2010 | 3:55 AM
So what does that really amount to-- eight new holes? four? two? An exposed electical line on the outside of a brick facade? Shocking! Never been done before! It'd look horrible! Seriously damage the historical value of the building! How dare they?

Honestly, no. This is not a big issue. It is not a health or safety issue and it is barely a preservation issue. If anyone is going to take this and run with it as a serious disregard for neighbors' concerns, it should be the customers, who-- forgive me if I'm wrong here-- are probably neighbors, and would like the sign to go up.
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February 12, 2010 | 8:23 AM
What a suppressive punish crazed society weve become. Step out of line with a sign and you will be thrown on the garbage heep of fail business.

Props the kids of old soul for supporting Oak Park when a deep pocketed corp turned the other way. Thats the real story
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February 12, 2010 | 10:35 AM
um, that's not what happened...the city didn't shut down the business, or padlock the doors, they just said, "you can't hang up the sign without the permit." The business isn't going to close over this.

Heck, I'm happy to see a local business in there instead of Starbucks, but that is totally irrelevant to what we're talking about here.
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February 12, 2010 | 10:04 AM
I agree with John Boyer (whoever you are!).
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February 12, 2010 | 7:19 PM
djmarquart, you may "agree with John Boyer."

Too bad he doesn't know what he's talking about. It's fine sentiment, all self righteousey and stuff (right up Old Soul's aley) just not based on fact, the record or the history of their business.

They are FAR from "thrown on the garbage heep of fail business." Given their connections and special treatment they've received, at the expense of other businesses and the community, it's quite funny that people are viewing this as some sort of underdog story.
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February 12, 2010 | 10:18 AM
I (a neighbor to Old Soul at 40 Acres) welcome the sign. It's beautiful!
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February 12, 2010 | 7:20 PM
If it's a sign that Old Soul Co. will start following rules that other businesses have to, it's even MORE beautiful!!!!
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February 12, 2010 | 11:48 AM
The sign situation will work itself out in time. Until then, I know the way to Oak Park, so the OS sign is irrelevant to my appreciation of this upbeat t community establishment! I look forward to my next visit!
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February 12, 2010 | 12:38 PM
Marion Millin said -
- "Clearly you know nothing about the constant and chronic stream of violations -- of multiple jurisdictions -- by Old Soul Co. since their opening in the alley location...... at the expense of other businesses and public safety" -

This cracks me up! I am aware that when they started out they were operating with appropriate permits for a business open to the public. I am dying with anticipation to hear how "public safety" was jeopardized by their actions. Do you think a permit on a piece of paper actually protects you from something when you visit a coffee shop?

It's this kind of love for mindless bureacracy that kept instutions like the USSR tottering around about 20 years past their right expiration date.

Maybe history books should be updated to point out that O&W Wright, Sears & Roebuck, and the Harleys and the Davidsons had all the permits in order and signs at the proper elevation when they started out... and their actual accomplishments could be relegated to little footnotes at the bottom of the page!
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edited on  February 12, 2010 | 1:16 PM
You know little--maybe even nothing like Marion wrote. So your "dying" to know because you think your awareness is correct. In fact, OS Alley operation started out with permits for a wholesale business and then decided without permits to go into the retail business (I assume that you are "aware" of the significant difference between the two) including proper sanitation safeguards such a pubic restrooms, SO the COUNTY closed them down until they complied.

Now, do you want a place where you are buying food to comply with the county health requirements that every other business must comply with or a rogue business that does anything it wants to as OS history clearly shows as Marion points out?
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edited on  February 12, 2010 | 7:31 PM
cogmeyer, where are you getting your information?

"I am aware that when they started out they were operating with appropriate permits for a business open to the public."

That's a plain lie. Advocate helped you out above. The record is there. Check it out for yourself.

Old Soul was hatched in the same environment that has the City of Sacramento under investigation over the FPP scandal. FEMA may raise all of Sacramento's flood insurance rates because of it. Laughing now?

"Mindless bureaucracy" and health and safety laws are in place to protect the public good. In close quarters, in inner city redevelopment, it's even more crucial to have regulations in place that make sure the new and old fit well together and work for the whole community.
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February 12, 2010 | 1:30 PM
I hope things work out for the Old Soul company!
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edited on  February 12, 2010 | 2:54 PM
I am always leary of posting my opinon on sac press afraid of being attacked by my own neighbors. Especially while I am running for city council . However, I am not sure why this was even news worthy. Everyday in the city of sacramento small business owners have to jump through hoops or (comply with well intended codes and regulations) that many business owners are either unware of or not expertise enough in that arena to deal with properly and additionally already financially stressed to the point that they cannot afford to pay someone who does know how to navigate the waters of city hall efficiently. Deanna has spoken to me about the need for a small business advocate position that should be a non partial entity in the city to assist with such matters ( yes the old soul folks have friends in the city and political environment that do assist them when they run into an issue like this sign event) but daily there are many well intending small business owners with no help at all and despite popular belief there is a "guess again & gotcha" feeling one gets while dealing with the city ( especially as of late ) rather then a "lets help you through this process" . The guess again feeling actually drives business owners to want to do things illegally knowing that it will cost them lots of money and time to attempt to navigate the difficult city hall waters alone .. This is a huge issue for us all, as us as residents dont benefit from the dollars generated by projects and businesses. As owners would rather do business elsewhere (folsom roseville etc. due the the difficulty of doing business here. There is so much more to be discussed here but as someone who does business with and works with many others attempting to do business in the city they all need to be recognized for the pain they go through to do business in our city. I ask all of those contributing here to work on solutions for the common good of all rather then to just poke from the sidelines . we need small business to flourish and feel welcomed in our city ( kinda like "it takes a village to raise a child" ) It takes village to make a city whole and complete
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February 12, 2010 | 3:20 PM
Great insights r8s1..thank you. For those who may be flirting with the idea of jumping into business in Sacramento, what resources are available to help them navigate those waters?
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February 12, 2010 | 7:46 PM
Where's the happy medium, Shawn? You know how far the pendulum has swung in the extreme to favor the business/development community. The FPP scandal, illegal arrival of Nestle to sell Sacramento tap water and questions about the Matrix are all about that.

When your neighbors and other residents complain about problem businesses, we ADVOCATE for the "little guy," the business or owner/project developer who do not have those friends in City Hall, who really have to jump through the regulatory hoops. The problem businesses are the ones that operate as if no rules apply to them and continue to do so, defiant and unchanged in behavior even after being corrected.

It is special treatment and selective enforcement that is the problem. The streamlining of Matrix and the abused FPP, on top of the floodplain sprawl developers' tradition of permitless development, has made these problems of scofflaw and problem businesses worse, not better.

Now that these forces are operating in Midtown, there had better be a balance of interests, or there will be no livability and no sustainability. The problem businesses are destructive to the community and to the potential of Midtown to flourish in the long -- not just the short -- term.
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February 12, 2010 | 3:40 PM
Correction: my sentence "I am aware that when they started out they were operating with appropriate permits" was intended to say "without" proper permits. Totally different meaning, obviously.

Yes, yes O' Advocate of Entangled Overbearing Bureacracies, I probably read the same papers you do. (Except I don't exclaim "there oughta be a law" after I finish each article). I am fully aware that Old Soul didn't have retail permits (nor a cash register either, as I recall). My position is still the same. I could care less if a coffee bean roaster wants to sell some coffee on the side.

But I am pretty wild and crazy like that. Sometimes I even drink coffee from the PTA table at the school fundraiser. And when I am real frisky, I will even accept coffee from strangers.

How many people were injured during this period when Old Soul was a "rogue" business?. Zero. I know I know.... it was just a matter of time until a serious swizzel stick mishap occured. Or someone got their finger caught in the non-compliant toilet paper dispenser. An accident waiting to happen I am sure.
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edited on  February 12, 2010 | 7:51 PM
This is like the Libertarians who don't believe in supporting the public good, while they benefit from its protections every single day.

Good luck on your standup routine.
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February 13, 2010 | 8:05 AM
Everyone should support it EQUALLY. Thats where the arguement falls apart.
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edited on  February 12, 2010 | 9:31 PM
UPDATE: The sign went up around 3 P.M. today. See new article: http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/22144/Old_Soul_Co_sign_goes_up
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February 13, 2010 | 12:35 AM
Ed, your follow up article provides zero information on the reason for halting -- and then continuing -- placement of the sign, if as you say it is "exactly in the spot intended and electrical hooked up to light the sign just as planned."

Given the lively discussion your story inspired, did you feel any inclination to "stay on track" and provide the specifics in your follow up story? That didn't seem relevant to you? What does "just as planned" mean?

If -- according to your follow up -- nothing was altered regarding placement of the sign, which was arbitrary: stopping it from going up or allowing it to go up in time for the Grand Opening?





"After the sign's installation was halted Thursday, it was permitted to go up Friday afternoon.

"The sign installation crew was literally about to drill the mounting holes for the new Old Soul Co. sign in Oak Park Thursday morning when a call came in from the city to halt the installation. Due to the building being historical, there was an issue of placement and electrical connections. (see previous article)

"Just a little more than twenty four hours later, the installation was approved and the sign was installed around 3 P.M. Friday afternoon, exactly in the spot intended and electrical hooked up to light the sign just as planned.

"Old Soul's Grand Opening Reception will take place Saturday evening from 6-10PM."
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February 14, 2010 | 1:43 AM
Thanks for posting this and the follow-up Ed. While some may feel that it's not newsworthy, this issue has inspired a lot of great discussion about some issues that our readers feel very passionate about.

Anyone who would like to delve deeper into the issue is welcome (and encouraged) to write another piece.
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February 14, 2010 | 9:52 AM
Why wasn't the city just as 'horrified' when KJ replaced sections of original brick with one of a different color and texture. It has been an eyesore and an obvious cheap fix no one else could have gotten away with.

I don't care if Old Soul has political juice. For the first time (including all of KJ's fantasies for Oak Park) we have a real business, providing a product the ENTIRE community wants.

And the readers observations about selecting going after anyone that appears to be 'well heeled' is exactly correct. That stretch of Broadway is litterer with hand painted and out of code signage.
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February 14, 2010 | 12:03 PM
It's a friggin' sign. All this squabbling over a sign? Common! This is ridonculous. Historical building rules apply to ALL. That will be $4.99, please pull forward to the first window. NEXT!
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