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by Ben Ilfeld, published on January 12, 2009 at 4:14 AM

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The other day I was talking with some friends who were concerned about new nightclubs being planned in Sacramento. One of us remarked that we may crossed a line with too many "top 40 playing" nightclubs and not enough patrons.

Many current restaurant and nightclub owners are already concerned that we have reached our limit.

On The Sacramento Press there has been plenty of discussion about nightlife in the central city: here, here, and here.

Many local residents in conversations on the site point out that diversity is the real problem. Nightlife should not mean the same club, the same music, more and more alcohol. Perhaps we have reached the limit for one kind of nightlife but not another?

Two years ago I used to go to nightclubs often and then my friends and I joked that everyone at the club was in real estate. I wonder if this current economic downturn really affected this demographic and others. Is the market for big spenders at clubs down? Clubs make a lot of money on a few key customers willing to buy bottle service (it always makes me think of baby bottles for some reason). Could it be that the demographic for the club-goer market is just as large, but not living as large?

Of course, I am really interested in the idea that the nightlife market has a limit and that we have exceeded that limit. I may start looking into what local business owners think. For now I want to pose the question again on this forum. Is there a limit? Have we reached it?

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January 12, 2009 | 9:56 AM
Diversity is a definite necessity. Once you get beyond a certain number of nightclubs, clubs have to offer something unique in order to draw patrons, or to appeal to a demographic that isn't interested in "top 40" clubs. Maybe the market for the "ultra lounge" is saturated, but from the crowds I still see in front of not-so-ultra places, there is definitely a nightlife market, just not necessarily on the top-drawer bottle-service end of the spectrum.
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January 12, 2009 | 10:57 AM
Nightclubs are a relatively new thing for me. I agree that nightlife does depend on a few people buying some expensive bottles or a ton of drinks. Where else can you get one drink that costs the same as a bottle? With the reduced disposable income due to today's economy, I've recently been going to my local grocer, buying larger, cheaper bottles of alcohol, and getting my drinking started before going to clubs just to save a few bucks. If anyone else is like me, you don't like having a $10-$20 cover charge in the first place, and on top of that $12 beers are just insult to injury. I have still yet to go to a Sacramento "top 40" club, but since my curiosity leads me to find things that are not boring in Sacramento nightlife, I'm willing to try a dozen clubs or more if I have to to find one that I enjoy. Which one is the most unique club to start with? What makes one different from the next?
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January 12, 2009 | 11:41 AM
Jonathan, WHERE do they serve $12 beers???
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January 12, 2009 | 12:33 PM
Hyperbole (about the $12s) aside, the last club I went to, my beer was literally $8 dollars, though it was in Tahoe. Of course that price is not representative at all of Sacramento clubs.
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January 12, 2009 | 10:05 PM
Questions: From reading the above, including comments, it appears that "nightlife" is defined as clubs, drinking, bands, music i.e. the bar and club scene. Not that there is anything wrong with that but am I reading that right or are there other activities that can be considered nightlife?
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edited on  January 13, 2009 | 10:15 AM
I certainly hope one would include cafes open until late under "nightlife," and theater, but yes, most of what one would call "nightlife" would include dance clubs, live bands, bars and nightclubs. The first two don't necessarily have to take place in venues that sell alcohol, but it is pretty commonplace to do so.

At least in theory, there are few limits to what kind of activities one could do at night. Personally I'm still somewhat in mourning for Tower Records and being able to record shop at 11:00 should I get the urge. But a lot depends on the level of foot traffic needed to encourage business to stay open late, and a community's willingness to tolerate the noise, traffic and other problems that can come with lots of late-night activity--and ability to mitigate those problems. We could certainly use more diversity in evening and night-time events, including more venues that cater to non-drinkers, the under 21 crowd, and families.
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January 13, 2009 | 8:11 PM
Little Theatres, stage presentations, movies, art galleries, shops, etc. have long been a part of the nightlife scene in cities where I've lived but it seems from the comments then that youths' interests here are limited to nightclubs, bars, alcohol, bands in clubs, etc. I was hoping there might be a broader demand for entertainment during the evening hours.
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January 15, 2009 | 1:41 PM
Nightlife has evolved greatly, somehow it needs to get to another level that will return profitability to those who present it, and affordability to those who enjoy it.
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edited on  January 15, 2009 | 3:21 PM
As far as my own (admittedly narrow) nightlife interests go, I just wish there were more under-21 places to dance. Alcohol is not strictly necessary for it to be 'nightlife' in my book. Doesn't hurt, though.
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