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Residents use new online tool in green waste debate

by Kathleen Haley, published on December 11, 2009 at 9:08 PM

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Several residents recently used the city website’s new “eComment” tool to weigh in on the issue of green waste pickup. The City Council is expected to consider in January whether to ask voters to use bins for green waste.

Sacramento voters decided in 1977 that the city could not establish the use of bins for green waste. If the city wants to enact bin use rules, it must ask voters to overturn the 1977 law, according to a Nov. 24 report from the Utilities Department.

More bin opponents are using the eComment tool than proponents. Only one of six recent comments is from a bin supporter. Here are three eComments on the green waste issue. Bakken and Goldberg's comments have been shortened for clarity.

Stephen Bakken, supporter
“I also initiated a verbal comment today stating that I favor green waste bins over loose green waste picked up by the ‘Claw.’ This new e-comment option was mentioned so I thought I would try this out. I recommend that the City Council develop ballot language to repeal the ordinance enacted by voters in 1977 that [prevents] the City from requiring a switch to green waste bin collection.”

Brandie Humphreys, opponent
“If we are forced on containers? It will make sense to cut down our tree. Leaves are the only yard waste we have. We want to keep the claw in downtown.”

Jeremy Goldberg, opponent
“We are opposed to moving from pile pick up to mandatory bins. Our neighborhood features several large trees in excess of 20 ft tall. During the Fall we will simply not have enough space in a bin to fit all of our leaves.”

Photo by Geoff Samek.

Kathleen Haley is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press.

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December 12, 2009 | 1:25 AM
It seems everyones opposition is due to all of the trees in Midtown but, what everyone fails to realize (possibly they aren't even reading draft but just going by hearsay?) is that the current draft of the proposal states that the claw would still be used during the Fall/Winter when leaves/branches fall.

For those that want to know the reasons to move to a containered system, I encourage you to read up at http://www.sacbike.org/greenwaste/
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edited on  December 12, 2009 | 10:49 AM
Wrong Gabriel. If you read prior comments and the two articles I wrote, the problems extend far beyond midtown--just not as severe. Did you read the East Sac resident comment? The elderly woman from the south area, that I quoted?

You, SABA, and Solid Waste, which knows better, assume naively or deliberately that city leaves, other tree waste, litter and other debris ONLY drop TWO months out of the year! That is a fact which is conveniently being ignored by SABA and other advocates and I explained those details which apparently you and others are in denial of. You also don't acknowledge that there is backyard "green" waste and there is city tree waste--the most voluminous of which is city.

With street sweeping only occurring every two months and cars parked next to the curb when the sweeper drives by in the middle of the street, where do you think combination of waste will go? If you can't visualize the results that I will tell you again based on what happened before the claw and why the voter driven 1977 prohibition was enacted. It will remain compacted against the curbs and on the drains.

That is the reality unless you and SABA members will volunteer to remove all that gunk.. Please back up your words with action. Any volunteers?
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December 13, 2009 | 1:39 PM
RE: http://www.sacbike.org/greenwaste/ What Agenda driven individual put this together? A Waste Management Consultant?

You seem to be playing fast and easy with bullet point references

Please cite the case reference RE:Protect Streams & Rivers- Woodland is facing $10,000/day fines from the state of California for the amount of Total Organic Carbons in its runoff. I believe you misquoted your reference-The term was "reducing Waste Stream" (not a creek, stream or River) you know-the "flow" of waste to the landfill.

1989 Legislation AB 929 required reducing jurisdictional "waste Stream" by 50% Woodland Achieved 48% according to their latest audit of record and received a "Good Faith Effort rating from Consolidated Waste Management Board

http://www.cityofwoodland.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=5850

Isn't Woodland's waste management contracted out to Waste Management-private collector-
If you look at the latest SAG / Boss Mayor contributors you will see $7,000.00 from Recology- formerly known as NorCal Waste Management PAC...aren't they in the business of picking up containerized waste -not loose leaves, lawn or any street sweeping.

Response?
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edited on  December 12, 2009 | 9:36 AM
Gabriel, you've stated before-you rent
How many units are at your residence?
Under the proposal 1SFR/unit='s 3 Bins 2='s 6 Bins 3='s 9 Bins and so forth
Do you and your other residents keep them locked up-put away so as to avoid vandalism, graffiti, scavengering
Do the tenants take responsibility for putting them out and retrieving them? the P/O?
Do you have restricted street-sweeping parking enforcement?
How large of a lot is your parcel? 40x80 or 40x160 or other
Where do you store your bins currently? Out of the Egress Pathways? Out of the Public Right-of-ways? Do you notice that uniformly in your travels through midtown?
The info states how neat and clean those containers are- The picture depicts three nice clean containers sitting in the street with no cars around-Yah Sure!--How regularly do you physically pick-up the wet decaying leaves, debris and more in your gutters and parking area to place it in your trash can-It's an entirely different and DIRTY process that one can't do as simply as with a rake-into a pile for pickup. And cars-when is the last time there were no cars in front of your residence-oh ya- street sweeping day.

Under the proposal, all waste would be containerized
Street sweeping has been reduced to once every 2 months and since the claw would be eliminated The Grids Street sweeping parking enforcement should thus be removed. As a resident owner that pays that utility bill I and my neighbors feel we are being penalized for loss of on-street parking if street sweeping is only 6x's a year and the claw is removed. SABA statement about proposed weekly sweeping seems untrue given given public safety funding concerns . Additionally you already see little if any posted parking enforcement on primarily commercial street frontage as compared to residential street frontage in the same neighborhood.
To change the those street sweeping enforcement signs within the Grids current parking enforcement areas to reflect trash pick-up enforcement is selective enforcement not being bestowed upon the rest of the city's residents-hence No Trash Pick-Up Parking Enforcement would be more in line with the "one size fits all" mentality being waged.
How much revenue goes into the general fund from that 8AM-12PM enforcement in those few select areas-Including Holidays? How much could be generated with city wide enforcement?

So again I ask you-Where are all those green waste, recycle and trash bins going on trash day?

Remember that picture I asked you to respond to and yet you never did?

http://www.sacbee.com/opinion/story/2343463.html

Right where that green waste pile is beyond the parked cars!

On all streets including the 1-way bike lane streets, pick-up occurs on only one side a day , the cans in those bike lanes won't be a problem since you and I will have the other side of the street's bike lane to use....you just need to pay attention and use a light at night, since a lot of cans go out the night before.

Bike, Walk,Run or Drive along S & T streets on Monday or Tuesdays-No parking enforcement-Trash pick-up day-North of R should thus be treated like South of R
And where we have diagonal parking-Think Way out
That will give you an idea of the results of your position-without considering the other ramifications

Unless of course you are supporting City-Wide Trash Pick-up Day Parking Enforcement. Maybe a little extreme, but it sort of demonstates the disparity being shoved upon selected residential neighborhoods that additionally do not have the lot size to accommodate these bins

So what about street Vacuums? Where's that solution in any of yours or Solid Waste's discussion? Didn't think that far out of the Box? 1 street Vacuum does the work of 1 Claw + 1 Compactor with NO street abrasion. There would be a justifiable reason for parking enforcement that would could coincide with trash pick-up.
And we wouldn't have all those extra bins clogging up our streets and yards!





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edited on  December 12, 2009 | 11:27 AM
Absolutely right. One other cost the city would avoid that homeowners and smaller rental units end up paying for in raised rates is the thousands of new bins to accommodate containerization. So tenants of a five unit or less rental, expect to pay more rent for landlords to recoup those costs.

It is a fact, for those who don't recognize facts if not so identified for them, many other cities throughout the country face the same problems we do here in Sacramento. To solve those problems without using the claw and available to cities counties, etc., there are 1. street sweepers with minimal suction to force leaves and debris into the internal hopper (Sacramento has those but are of limited effectiveness and use), 2. there are the same size trucks that Sacramento has but are used to vacuum up leaves and debris--no sweeper attachment and 3. there are vacuum trucks with sweeper and vacuum for litter and leaf waste. There are various sizes of the latter two from very small individualized to very large commercially used and as you say, .

While that does not solve the fallen branch, twig or limb problems through out the year, solutions to those rarer events can be addressed individually. But that should be the overall goal of the city be looking rather than this narrow focus. When Public Works or other departments call other cities to see what they have often done to justify an action, too often it is too obtain support for what they've already decided or just a limited radius they contact that does not allow for innovative ideas.


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edited on  December 12, 2009 | 12:48 PM
Gabriel... I looked at your link.
it's funny - all the supporters of containerization listed on that webpage are tree-hugging organizations (Save the river, Bikers, hikers, etc.)

If you guys succeed in forcing us on leaf bins... I will be thinking of you when I cut down my tree.

I invite any supporters of the claw to sign-up here:
http://www.southsidepark.org/claw
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edited on  December 13, 2009 | 11:46 AM
You are right, Steve. The referenced bike web site was not only a real laugh but dishonest. It was a laundry list of inconsistencies and misleading information--just as those who support containerization.

The neatly placed three cans in a row in suburban neighborhood in front of a "snout house" was an obvious staged photo shoot and points out the committee's choosing to ignore Sacramento's three stages of residential development that I pointed out in my first article. Even the list of supporters were suburban residents--maybe not even city residents.

Perhaps the most misleading and laughable was the quote from the little Woodland's section:
"NON-Leaf Season Collection Services (February through September): City-wide weekly container green waste collection plus once a month street collection of green waste (except for grass). Additionally, residents may call WM and arrange to have green waste picked up off the street for an additional fee, if they miss the normal pickup date.

• Leaf Season Collection Services (October through January): weekly container and street collection services. Grass clippings would go into containers year round; not placed in the gutters during leaf season."

Woodland's Leaf season collection services is FOUR months of Oct. thru Jan. But Sacramento's as determined by the committee is only some vague TWO months in the fall.

Woodland's non-leaf season is 8 months out of the year. Sacramento's as determined by the committee is 10 months. Maybe the committee will tell the trees not to drop leaves in those 10 months.
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December 13, 2009 | 6:38 PM
Character is like a tree and reputation like a shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
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December 12, 2009 | 6:09 PM
To all these folks too lazy to use a rake and put their leaves in a bin.... try using the mulching function on your lawn mower. The grass and earth will love it. All the effort you will have to make is opening your wallet to pay the neighborhood kid that mows your lawn...because you are too lazy to do that either.

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edited on  December 13, 2009 | 6:31 PM
Good idea. You can also compost, too. It is very easy. I have reduced my yard waste by about 95% and my regular trash by about 25% by composting.

Update: Three people object to composting and reducing yard waste? How strange.
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edited on  December 13, 2009 | 11:42 AM
And if you don't have a lawn to mow but have only city tree leaves on the sidewalks and park strips to pick up and containerize, like many folks in the central city? Or there is't a neighborhood kid to hire to pick up the city's tree leaves on the walks or park strips? Or our low income homeowners can't afford to hire someone to pick them up and put them in the containers?

Then what? Will you both volunteer to do that? I've asked these questions before but none of you answer that as willing to step up. Where's your community support spirit? Put your action where your mouth is.
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edited on  December 14, 2009 | 4:25 AM
All Right, another new member to the discussion-
Welcome Honest Abe!!

Dale Kooyman is a transplanted & valued Sacramento resident and resource that uses "Online Tools" to formulate his positions. Not bad for a person of his years. For over 30 years he has & continues to be an integral part of the re-vitalization of the central city and actively involved in city & regional issues. He backs up his articulations with cited reference-not hyperbole or miss-stated facts. If you are going to use those deceptive tactics, as many have this past year-be prepared for the consequences. Being caught using deception will result in your relegation to the category of "Online Fool"!

I'm sure the "Honest Abe" we all cherish supports the statement

"Figures don't lie-Liars Figure"

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edited on  December 13, 2009 | 6:36 PM
fifthgensacramentan, I do not think much of a man who is not wiser today than he was yesterday.
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edited on  December 13, 2009 | 9:15 PM
What you think means nothing to me because you don't know me and you haven't the courage to use your real name when making that allegation.
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edited on  December 14, 2009 | 5:08 AM
Interesting Lincoln Quote (a tree) and a play on Johnathan Swift
I find it disheartening that "Honest Abe" would not give credit to quotes that are not his own

"A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying... that he is wiser today than yesterday." Johnathan Swift


With regards to quoting Abe Lincoln, two of my favorites:

"Discourage litigation. Persuade your neighbors to compromise whenever you can. As a peacemaker the lawyer has superior opportunity of being a good man. There will still be business enough."

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
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December 14, 2009 | 2:10 PM
Sir, I base this on observation, not malice.
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December 14, 2009 | 2:09 PM
There is no grievance that is a fit object of redress by mob law.
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December 30, 2009 | 8:10 AM
Lasy ass city residents have enjoyed a service that they don't need to do any thing but push the piles into the gutter,great for storm drains,great for the roads too! the labor equipment.carbon footprint. the dam noise that I have had to listen to being across the street chippings should go back
to the earth where it came from and this policy which is not used by others has outlived its utility How come a county resident is mandated to use and pay for pickup,but the city cant change! BS 40 tears ago I remember the two garbage men that hung off of the backs of the trucks and we didnt have to move the cans !
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