Conversation on The Sacramento Press about: Hmong rally for accused conspirators"What do we want? Case dismissed! When do we want it? Now!"
Tria Vang, 25-year-old Hmong activist and part of the Hmong American Ad Hoc Committee, led a spirited crowd of nearly 1,000 through cheers as well as a march around the Matsui Courthouse building.
Organized by the Ad Hoc Committee, Hmong Americans and their supporters protested an indictment against 12 Hmong men accused of conspiring to overthrow the Laos government. It mirrored a similar rally in May of this year for Hmong leader a...jmendickBy: errorerrorcomment-197382009-12-22T20:15:43Z2009-12-22T20:15:43ZVang Pao should has been HANG to death same as Saddam.error2009-12-22T20:15:43ZBy: errorerrorcomment-197372009-12-22T20:12:20Z2009-12-22T20:12:20ZAs an Asian American (Hmong), I was born and raise during the Vietnam war (I call Opium War.) My dad, uncles and brother die in the front line. I remember seeing hundred of orphans and widow women in our village. This was a crime against humanity. The American and Vang Pao should hold accountable for their actions and will some day pay their heavy price in Heaven for killing millions of innocent people.error2009-12-22T20:12:20ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-189992009-12-09T07:50:37Z2009-12-09T07:50:37ZAirAmrica, I agree the living standard of Lao people should be better, and the current Lao Govt. should have accepted and adopted the change long time ago. I'm also aware of their agreements with China and other; in which I'm concern that the China will take advantage of Laos limited resource and/or destroy her enviroment as they have done in many poor countries. Even though, current Lao leaders have made a great steps toward better Laos, but I'm concern that they do not have sufficent skill and experience and knowlegde to negociate in the world economy stage nor will they not fail from being taking advantage of from development countries. The cost of cleaning/fixing up after china enviroment damage toward Laos will be more than benefit the Laos will get. I hope they have wisdom to learn, and conduct some research, and enact some kind of law to protect Laos from long term damage of short term gain. I understand that currently UN is trying to help Lao Government create a rule of law that acceptable to be trading in the world economy; and Lao Government is also inviting educated Laotian to come back Laos to help they make a progress (from my opinion, in order to attract qualify and quality educated Laotian from the free world, Lao policy and incentive must be adjust and change, if not they are only going to get those angry and resentful generalation of Mr. Vang).
In sum, supporting a guerrilla fighting war have not and will not bring much progress to Laos; AirAmerica, I hope you have a forgiveness heart and capable to accept a lost of 30 years ago. Would you agree and accept that in your life time, Laos would not get to be free as the U.S. or have a same politic system here or become they way you want it, but this does not mean is off limit to the next Laotian generation. You appear wanting what is good for Lao/Hmoung people and/or want to go back, I hope you can go back and live there, and participate in the progress of Lao; that Lao leaders are attempting to do. Respectfull submit.laog20002009-12-09T07:50:37ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-189972009-12-09T06:36:08Z2009-12-09T06:36:08ZAirAmerican, there are also many allegations (emphasize) of him misconduct and/or take advantage of older Hmoung generation here, too. I personally have low tolerant or have no respect to people who are abusing a trust of weaker people (if the allegation is truth). I began to follow the news and blog, because my heart is breaking to see video of living condition of Hmong in Jungle, I respectfully disagree with your philosophy/expression here that we (Lao/Hmoung) in U.S. should support them to continue those life so they can continue to free Laos from current Lao Govement (I’d agree to some degree if that was in 1980). Again, I do not care nor agree with current Lao Government.laog20002009-12-09T06:36:08ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-189952009-12-09T06:32:52Z2009-12-09T06:32:52ZAirAmerican, Since I saw your blog here, I further a search on Mr. Vang and records of Laos History.
Mr. Pao Vang was borned in China, in 1931; from this fact he is naturalized Hmong/Lao citizen; I assumed he lives in the U.S. longer than Laos. If base on the U.S. Law, he would be disqualified to run Laos? Even though, I respect your past history with him, but I would not go as far as you to claim that he is Lao’s hero and was only person responsible to get us get into the U.S. nor was he not taken advantage of Laos during time he was in power there ---this is basing on the fact and record. For more addition record/fact regard VP can be found from the CIA webpage or title search as: CIA Air Operations in Laos, 1955-1974; Supporting the "Secret War" by William M. Leary; or link followings:
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art7.html
http://www.laoveterans.com/custom2.html.
The record/fact about AirAmerican and record of Laos history also in there.laog20002009-12-09T06:32:52ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-189922009-12-09T05:23:41Z2009-12-09T05:23:41ZAirAmerica, with all your respect, you appear to be mistrustful, paranoids, and miss my point. You attack people who have a different life path/experience than your or expressed a diff. opinion. Moreover, your point of supporting or misleading a poor/uneducating Hmoung in the jungle to fight pointless war in last 20-years clearly show that neither you seek peace, democracy, nor progress for Laos, nor you capable to see and want the Hmoung in the jungle or Lao people in Laos to have normal life like you. Your expressions appear to show that You, Mr. Vang, and his associates are more interested of seeking to reclaim his old glory day. There’re many different ways to seek a change for Laos than war; our history or every Laotian’s journey (here) should teach us those lesson. I do not want to see Laos as the Afghanistan past and present that ran by Taliban and/or uneducated/selfish people, and/or a corruption people as today news have shown that when they got opportunity for change and develop, they could not able to do or take advance of the opportunity that seldom come by.
The changing in Laos politic appears to be more very personal to you than to me (I’m only interested to see Laos has educated citizens and has an economy that able to compete in the world economy), I hope you’ll take a diff. step in change than a war/fighting; so Lao progress can began; and please help and incur the Hmong in the jungle to seek a normalcy life. Respectfully submitted.laog20002009-12-09T05:23:41ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-189912009-12-09T05:18:56Z2009-12-09T05:18:56ZI’m naturalized U.S. Citizen. My late father was in the Royal Laotain Army, even though he was not Hmong. FYI, I finished high school here and put myself through college, and I did that all on my own. Since I got here, I’m not living in Lao community, but I’m updated/educated on the fact about Laos and my heritage. Recently, I googled matter relating to Laos, when family members inviting me to go back visiting Laos; that how I came about finding out Mr. Vang’s arresting news.laog20002009-12-09T05:18:56ZBy: Laoguy1Laoguy1comment-160372009-10-22T16:08:23Z2009-10-22T16:08:23ZI am guessing that there are probably 200,000 Hmong in America at the present. The Vang clan has about 17,000 people. My question is why subject yourselves to ways of WELFARE and hearsay by this minority clan? I am certain that there are many EDUCATED Hmong out there. I do not understand why the seeing is being mislead by the blind? It is beyond my comprehension of reality!!!Laoguy12009-10-22T16:08:23ZBy: Laoguy1Laoguy1comment-160342009-10-22T15:49:51Z2009-10-22T15:49:51ZAlthough I am saddened by the fact that General Vang Pao did not achieve his goal in overthrowing the current Laotian government, I am however glad to see an end to his unending ways of swindling UNEDUCATED people out of their hard earned dollars or in some cases WELFARE money. I know most Hmong worship the man. Then again the truth is many Hmong also hate the man. I feel strongly that his clan has been HOLDING BACK Hmong everywhere in this entire planet. I urge all of the EDUCATED Hmong to just move on with your lives.Laoguy12009-10-22T15:49:51ZBy: AirAmericaAirAmericacomment-155342009-10-14T14:40:54Z2009-10-14T14:40:54ZHmong is the only group defense freedom over 30 year you and I need to honor them. I believe you are not been in USA over 25 year and educated in US. Your philosophy is not educate in US, you are educated in Vietnam or the old Soviet Union. Your statement is from communist phiplosophy. The former CIA troop who still hide in the jungle have done nothing to cause damage toward your family, you might send your family member to fight them, that is your problem to kill them. They hide in the Jungle seek peace, freedom, and democracy, why you go kill them?AirAmerica2009-10-14T14:40:54ZBy: AirAmericaAirAmericacomment-155332009-10-14T14:22:22Z2009-10-14T14:22:22ZLaog2000, you are not respect Gen. Vang Pao, and not really know him well. You should not call "Mr. Pao" you must call "Mr. Vang" Vang is his last name, I know that you speak on behalf of the communist Lao People Revolutionary word, and you are sound from that party member. The United States and Gen. Vang Pao fight the secret war in Lao during Vietnam War is to prevent communist take over Southeast Asian Nation like Laos, South Vietnam, and Cambodia. It is tooo bad the US pull out their troops and advisors from Laos and Vietnam follow the treaty in Paris and Geneva. Communist Vietnam voilet the treaty by not pull their troop out from Laos. Fight a war both side have the right to used ther weapon to win a war, so don't blame one side only, we need to blame both side. Communist kill my brother and use chemical to kill lao people. Communist control the country over 30 years, people live in the way of live in 1970, govt office have NO TOILET paper, the wall sooo dirty not new paint. Please Blame Both Side Not only one side... God Bless All Lao Poeple and the People who care and work for peace and freedom in Laos.AirAmerica2009-10-14T14:22:22ZBy: AirAmericaAirAmericacomment-155312009-10-14T14:09:10Z2009-10-14T14:09:10ZCurrent Lao govt is poorest, it depend 80 percent budget from international coomunity to help. Current Lao govt is very poorest, govt offices had NO TOILET papers, and the wall are sooo dirty in Xiengkhoung Province Police Stattion. Change really need in Laos, Laos must follow other free country who let their peole enjoy to live and seek for better live. Current Lao govt let Lao people live in poorest live, ethinic Hmong and other group are living in poorest condition, poorest sanitation, drink bad water, we need CHANGE......AirAmerica2009-10-14T14:09:10ZBy: AirAmericaAirAmericacomment-155302009-10-14T13:59:57Z2009-10-14T13:59:57ZHmongStockton, since Gen Vang and the US CIA allie fight for freedom in Secret War in Laos help
the US govt during Vietnam War. VP and his soildier save thousnad of US pilots and troops. Without VP and his troop help US will lost more troops. No matter Hmong and other Lao in the right side I believe Hmong and Lao on the Right can run the Country of Laos better. Bring Capitalist and Democratic into Laos will be more better to Lao people. Why, because, it will bring more business, free speech, free of religion, better education, free assemby, press so all Lao people can enjoy their live. So if your poorest current communist can run the Country of Laos, I believe that Hmong and any one can also run the country of Laos. I'm tire of Communist Rule in this planet...sick of tire of communist....dictatorship rules...AirAmerica2009-10-14T13:59:57ZBy: AirAmericaAirAmericacomment-155292009-10-14T13:45:43Z2009-10-14T13:45:43ZHmongStockton, I'm sure that you are not Hmong. You are from the communist Lao Party the Lao People Revelutionary Party member. Your statement are not true and oposite from your communist run the country now. Current LaoPDR communist are curruption, poorest, and depend 80 percent budget from internation assistance. Your stalist dictator LaoPDR communist govt can't do any thing to develop the country and help the Lao people. You communist LaoPDR sell land to China, and other countries to build home, take Lao gold, silver, copper, eletricity and lumber away from Laos. Communist LaoPDR never respect Human Right, Free Speech, Press, Assembly. Communist LaoPDR treat Hmong and other enthic lowest unequal, and you communist truly CORRUPTION. Gen. Vang Pao and his team work for peace, freedom and democracy.AirAmerica2009-10-14T13:45:43ZBy: idiot1idiot1comment-152172009-10-10T02:40:50Z2009-10-10T02:40:50ZMr. Mendick, could you please show a little respect for the Hmong general. You need to either address him as General Vang Pao, Mr. Vang, or Vang and not "Pao". This just goes to show that you have not clue on Hmong culture. The general is known around the world as General Vang Pao. His first name is Pao and last name Vang. Get it right, idiot.idiot12009-10-10T02:40:50ZBy: KurtV24KurtV24comment-149992009-10-07T01:54:25Z2009-10-07T01:54:25ZI respect your opinion's and statement's, but would love to share a short quote, which is not related to the General Vang Pao case or the Vietnam War: "Try to hold it, and you lose it. Try to improve it, and you ruin it. To grasp all beneath heaven: Leave it alone. Leave it all alone." - Taoist proverbsKurtV242009-10-07T01:54:25ZBy: HmongStocktonHmongStocktoncomment-149792009-10-06T17:13:50Z2009-10-06T17:13:50ZI am Hmong myself and I believe that Mr. Pao and the US Hmong should stop hoping for a democratic Laos. Laos is now under that hand of the Communist and will stay a Communist county. I agree with laog 2000. I believe Laos will be worst if it is run under the Hmong. We Hmong are too corupt to run a country. Every single Hmong people out there know that Hmong can never run a country due to Hmong being so selfish. If us Hmong ever get country, it will surely be run by a Hmong dictator. For now, I hope the case get dismiss and for us Hmong here in the US not to keep on lying to those in the jungle that one day we'll go back. We are part of the problem here if you really think about it.HmongStockton2009-10-06T17:13:50ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-149782009-10-06T17:00:13Z2009-10-06T17:00:13ZThe Hmongs are no doubt confuse after they have been encouraged to fighting a pointless war for very long time. Those insurgents and/or Hmong should try to do their best to restart over with current Lao government; we should support them to have peace, and encourage them to find a living condition of a normal life. If current govement will not forgive and still want to prosecute them, they should leave Lao and asking for asylum. The asylum still avaible and open. The asylum is a better tool to use than continue to be insurgents and fighting a pointless war or be class as Terrorist.laog20002009-10-06T17:00:13ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-149772009-10-06T16:59:43Z2009-10-06T16:59:43Zso I’m sad to see his personal gain, lack of understanding, and poor judgment have caused so much destruction toward Laos or his own country. His actions have created a long lasting hardship to Hmong/Lao people; and if he is continually supporting and encouraging a pointless fighting in the last 10 to 15 years, this further showed unconscionable conduct toward the confusing Hmong insurgents and the Lao’s progress.
I do not agree with a lot of the current Lao government nor could I able to live in Lao after I have been living in free country for most of my life, but I do not want Lao people to be destroy its own country or the country destroy by its own people. I believe the best cure for the problem is to have educated Lao citizens and have Laos has a strong economy. So to Mr. Pao, his supporters, and Lao govenment, I hope they will change directions for the good of Laos.laog20002009-10-06T16:59:43ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-149762009-10-06T16:59:06Z2009-10-06T16:59:06ZSaid---even Mr. Pao or the Hmong insurgent groups are able to win or overthrow the current Lao government in the future; respectfully, I still do not believe Lao will be better off in their hand. Because they are not educated enough nor qualified to run any country, nor have wisdom to pick right people to run Laos; based on their actions in the history and currently. As the leaders one must look for the greater good and a long term goal for Laos and its people, not just for oneself pride. History showed that Mr. Pao and his group had an hand on helping bombed his own country during the vietman war for personal gain. The record showed that the bombs that bombed into Laos were more than world war I and world war II combined; especially the using of the chimical weapon bombs that he had handed helping in bombing (the chimical and un- explore bombs will continue to impact on Lao people for long long time to come);laog20002009-10-06T16:59:06ZBy: laog2000laog2000comment-149752009-10-06T16:58:22Z2009-10-06T16:58:22ZI have been in the U.S. over-25-years. I’m educated and had handled case law. The Vietnam-War and the changing of Lao in 1975 had personally broken my family apart. I remembered the Lao’s government and the insurgent groups fought each other out, their fighting have further cause damage toward my family and other who were in the same situation.
The arrest of Mr. Pao and other is very sad and heart breaking. I can understand that Mr. Pao and his support want to reclaim his glory day---that he was hero in helping the U.S. during the Vietman war. However, I respectfully disagree with him, and believe he is wrong--if in last 15-years, he has been supported and given a misleading hope to those Hmongs/insurgents to put their life in last 30-years to carry on the pointlss fighting in the jungle. It’s heart breaking to see the hardship to their life and horrible living condition---as we have seen in you-tube-video.laog20002009-10-06T16:58:22Z