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Central Library cites survey in decision to remove benches

by Kathleen Haley, published on August 31, 2009 at 9:30 PM

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Sacramento’s Central Library recently removed the benches along the library’s I Street sidewalk. Don Tucker, director of facilities for the Sacramento Public Library, has cited a 2007 survey that showed only 7 percent of the people using the benches were library customers.

The benches had been used frequently by homeless people.

The Sacramento Press requested and obtained the survey, which was administered by a Sacramento Police Department officer. The “Library Bench Project” survey created categories of “legitimate bench users” and “total bench users.” People who were reading or leaving the library were defined as “legitimate users.” Read the survey here.

The police officer monitored the benches from 11:30 a.m. to 1:30 p.m. on five different days. Three of 68 total users on July 19 were legitimate, the survey said. On July 26, six users out of a total of 76 were considered legitimate.

The survey noted that on Aug. 1, 2007, a total of 52 people used the benches, of which seven were legitimate users. On Aug. 8, 2007, a total of 63 people used the benches. Four of these people were legitimate users, according to the survey.

A total of 78 people used the benches on Aug. 15, 2007, according to the survey. Of that total, four people were legitimate users, the survey said.

Tucker also cited other reasons for removing the benches. The library was receiving feedback from disabled patrons and mothers with babies in strollers that the benches were blocking access to the library, he said earlier this month.

Loaves & Fishes Co-Director Garren Bratcher criticized the library’s decision to remove the benches, which homeless people had used. “It is my belief that they were removed because homeless people use them to rest,” Bratcher said.

Photo by David Watts Barton.

Kathleen Haley is a staff reporter for The Sacramento Press.

 

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August 31, 2009 | 9:49 PM
I could care less what Garren Bratcher or anyone over at Loaves & Fishes has to say on this matter. If L&F wants to seat the homeless then let them install benches on their property.
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September 1, 2009 | 12:48 AM
And the definition of "Legitimate User" is..............?
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September 1, 2009 | 9:21 AM
Um, "[p]eople who were reading or leaving the library were defined as 'legitimate users.' "
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September 1, 2009 | 10:26 AM
The benches were public property at a public building in a public thoroughfare. The public are "legitimate users."
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September 1, 2009 | 9:07 AM
So whats wrong with letting citizens use a public bench?
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September 1, 2009 | 9:42 AM
I wos an illejitimate. Them binches is nise!
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September 1, 2009 | 9:52 AM
I never cared for the benches personally. They tended to be dirty and had bird crap on them, making them not particularly inviting. Additionally, they were often covered in a homeless person's belongings making them inaccessible or uninviting to sit down on.

I also knew friends who mentioned to me that the area was less inviting because it felt like you had to suffer a barrage of homeless people in order to make it into the library.

I'd like to see that they were moved someplace else, maybe to area parks or along a major thoroughfare where people may walk and could use them to take a rest occasionally.
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edited on  September 1, 2009 | 10:29 AM
"... suffer a barrage of homeless people in order to make it into the library."

"Suffer"?

"A barrage"?

In the decades those benches were there, I never saw any homeless person blocking or impeding anyone else's passage into the Library. The area was never "barraged" with so many homeless that there wasn't room to sit down, if any "Legitimate Users" wanted to.

These are public benches on the public thoroughfare at a public building. There was no rule that someone on the bench had to be a library visitor.

The homeless aren't considered "Not Legitimate Users" -- this survey and these attitudes consider them "Not Legitimate Citizens or Human Beings."
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September 1, 2009 | 10:53 AM
I It is a shame that homeless people, however their current appearance or behavior may contrast with "legitimate" citizens, are not regarded as people who were once children, have siblings and parents and children themselves or once had "legitimate" lives with jobs etc. They have memories and histories just as everyone does. Isn't it bad enough for them already without suffering further indignity such as being told that they are not good enough for benches and insinuations that their fellow humans find them repulsive? I mean really, how many of you ever sit on those benches anyway? The world is difficult and hard enough on all of us-why is this an issue? Maybe the question "why are there hungry, homeless people who have to sit on a bench all day" should be posed and addressed. It is not fun to be hungry and that condition can heavily affect behavior and moods. How would any of you feel in their place?
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September 1, 2009 | 4:44 PM
An actual barrage or the appearance of a barrage will sway just as many people to not visit the library and not make use of it's resources. If the city sees the resources not being used because people aren't willing to walk down the same side of the street at the library, then how will it keep funding? If that happens the homeless are in the same situation as find themselves now.

Most already hang out all day in Cesar Chavez Park. It's getting so that that part of downtown is the 2nd Loaves and Fishes.

I agree with later commenters that if they were cleaned it would be better. Also if they're going to be moved elsewhere around downtown that's great. I don't mind the homeless utilizing resources, just not abusing the resources. And it does look bad when we have such a high concentration in one area.
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edited on  September 1, 2009 | 9:54 PM
Paul, do you know what the word barrage means? You are misusing it. Repeating it is misleading, since sitting on a bench is usually a quite passive activity.

You are complaining about the mere presence of poor and homeless people. You have no right to say "that part of downtown is the 2nd Loaves and Fishes." You are making assumptions about who these people are and acting like they should be disappeared for your convenience.

If you think people won't walk on the same side of the street or use the park of the library, you're wrong. Plenty of people coexist in the real world. The sanitized, selfish and short sighted opinions you are expressing are offensive.
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September 1, 2009 | 9:57 AM
I sympathize with the homeless on many levels and help whenever I can. With that said, the problem is way out of hand. Mr. Loaves and Fishes, so we have some sort of obligation to have the homeless visible in every corner of our lives? I'm not saying sweep it under the rug. Let's just not make it manadatory, shall we?
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September 1, 2009 | 11:18 AM
Loaves & Fishes has contributed greatly to attracting more homeless to the area and providing services that keeps them here. If Sacramento downtown is ever going to be vibrant and attractive to outsiders, the city HAS to extinguish its homeless image. Loaves & Fishes needs to be addressed in serious terms.
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edited on  September 1, 2009 | 12:20 PM
You are right Oracle , but no official has the guts to say it. The well-funded and politically powerful homeless providers and their minions jump down anyone's throats immediately who might say it.

L&F could help a lot by not throwing their "guests" out of their extensive compound at 3 every afternoon. The idea of moving the benches somewhere else? Donate them to L&F and then they could offer a nice place for homeless to spend their time on their facilities--even a few tents. I heard on the news recently that a homeless man was killed walking across12th Street to go to or leave L&F. Maybe the benches there would have saved his life.
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edited on  September 1, 2009 | 3:31 PM
How could the benches have saved his life? Or is that supposed to be some kind of clever and ironic response?
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September 1, 2009 | 2:19 PM
@advocate- I believe that L&F kicks everyone out at 3pm because they are required by the City to do so, or they would be operating 24x7.
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September 2, 2009 | 10:37 AM
Oracle, you say "the city has to extinguish its homeless image."

What you mean is "the city has to extinguish its homeless."

Your version of reality is skewed, as if the people who need the services weren't here before Loaves and Fishes existed. There have always been people in need. Since Reagan created a new permanent homeless class, it has become common to hear the attitude that they should just disappear, for the convenience and aesthetic demands of self-entitled folks who never consider where the homeless are supposed to disappear to.

The way to address civic issues, whether homelessness or appropriate use of public space, is not to demonize and disappear the most disadvantaged among us. "Extinguish its homeless image" sounds like marketing speak from someone who may have grown up in a suburban mall and never got close enough to realize that many of the homeless and those who used to be called Downtown "bums," are war veterans. Pick a war, any war, including the current ones in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's always heartbreaking to see women on the streets. Often, they will resist assistance and do their best to appear "normal," holding it together against all odds. Perhaps they are more sensitive to the dehumanizing attitudes of so many in this thread.

Everybody's got a story. The false assumptions of those who lump all the people on downtown streets who appear disadvantaged as "the homeless" are part of the problem, not the solution.

"If Sacramento downtown is ever going to be vibrant and attractive to outsiders," some of those "outsiders" are going to have to check their ignorance and prejudice at the door.

"Loaves & Fishes needs to be addressed in serious terms."

Homelessness needs to be addressed in serious terms.
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September 1, 2009 | 12:08 PM
I'm also wondering where the benches were moved to. Do we know?
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September 1, 2009 | 12:30 PM
Hi Casey, Thanks for the question. Our previous story has more background information. Don Tucker, the library's facilities director, said the city’s Parks and Recreation Department will refinish the old benches and place them in various locations in Sacramento.
http://www.sacramentopress.com/headline/11618/Benches_at_I_Street_Central_Library_removed
Cheers,
Kathleen
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edited on  September 1, 2009 | 1:30 PM
I take the light rail at least once a week to this beautiful library. Removing these benches needed to be done a long time ago. Nearly every time I go the benches have been occupied by homeless people who have essentially camped out for the day even when they could go inside the library. I'm usually haggled for money and I've often seen people smoking on these benches, sometimes smoking pot at that. No one should have to walk through any smoke cloud or be haggled for cash just to go to the library or pass on the sidewalk. Though I can't say 100% who left it, there is often quite a pile of trash left around the benches too.

There is no doubt that there is a huge homeless problem in Sacramento and this needs to be better addressed by the community but these benches were never part of the solution and obviously were rarely used by people who use the library.
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September 1, 2009 | 2:15 PM
I and my family go to that branch at least once a week as well. Its not just the smoking- the benches require a sniff test prior to usage. Human feces, urine, and vomit often cover some of these benches. This is in addition to dog and pigeon leavings. Then there is the trash.

And, yes, I and my wife have also been aggressively panhandled at the benches. There is also the matter of some people fighting, violently cursing, and, um, handling themselves in public. This is not something my kid should have to deal with in order to get a copy of Curious George Goes to the Beach.

I would have a different perspective on this issue if the Library had been maintaining and cleaning the benches (they have not), and if security or police monitored activity there (they do not). I have no problem with homeless or any other people sharing a public resource, but I do have a problem with people who abuse a public resource even if they have serious mental issues (which does not necessarily equate to homelessness).
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September 1, 2009 | 2:40 PM
Good point.

"I would have a different perspective on this issue if the Library had been maintaining and cleaning the benches (they have not), and if security or police monitored activity there (they do not)."
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September 1, 2009 | 1:31 PM
It's a sad state of that our society's in when we pay people to install benches, and then we pay people to remove them when the peasants dare sit their tufts upon them. Feudal.
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September 1, 2009 | 2:09 PM
I object to the terms SPD used: legitimate vs illlegitimate use. If I am sitting on the bench which is what benches are for it should be legitimate.

If we hide chronic homelessness then it doesn't exist. Right?

To be fair, I know that SPL did spend their limitied resources too on cleaning the sidewalk and benches on a weekly basis which factored in to their decision to remove as well.
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September 1, 2009 | 3:24 PM
The survey is wholly illegitimate. And by that I mean not done in a way to produce a meaningful, helpful result. Are public benches outside Starbucks only to be sat upon by coffee drinkers, otherwise sitting there is illegitimate!?

What does "loitering" mean, in term of the survey? Resting is a purposeful activity, especially in August, in the hot afternoon, when the survey was taken.

How was the determination made that a person on a bench used alcohol?

Frankly, what the survey reeks of is not Smirnoff's but data created to justify a predetermined action.

I am curious what the result "57% somewhat or seriously affected by inadequate or lack of street lighting" means. Was it very, very dark in the middle of the day in late July and early August of 2007? Was the survey taken by use of cameras set up across the street and the film was hard to see?

I wonder if the film is still existent.

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September 1, 2009 | 3:32 PM
Has any of the royalty here thought about using the other entrance?
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September 1, 2009 | 4:50 PM
CCC, by the back entrance, do you mean the one that you have to go through the parking garage to get to? That's the only other entrance that I know of. As the other one on I and the one on 9th both lead to the event hall, and is usually locked.
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September 1, 2009 | 9:59 PM
Paul, an open air driveway and sidewalks lead from J Street directly to the main lobby. There is no need to go through the parking garage.
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September 2, 2009 | 9:44 AM
Quite right, I almost forgot about that. So make patrons walk an additional 2 1/2 blocks in order to go to another entrance that, btw, isn't even clearly marked as an entrance so most people think it's just another entrance to the garage, which it is as well. In addition to being an entrance for service and supply trucks. All this so that the homeless can stay seated...
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September 2, 2009 | 10:46 AM
If one was so distressed by using the I Street entrance, one would simply enter from the J Street side. Walking "an additional 2 1/2 blocks" isn't necessary or realistic.
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September 2, 2009 | 11:38 AM
Exactly who is making them walk 2 1/2 blocks? The homeless? Where to begin? Where would you like the homeless to go? Do you have better ideas? Lets hear them. I don't exactly relish a city over run with homeless people, but you have to be logical about it- you can't just take away their benches and think that solves it. They are real people and should be considered as such, not merely an obstacle betwen you and the library. There is no logical connection between homeless people and the "other" entrance shrouded in the deep, dark mystery of delivery /supply trucks and a parking garage that is actually for library patrons if they choose to use it. Those who do probably find the mysterious and forbidden entrance a normal portal. The "most people" you refer to who in your opinion are not bright enough to find the entrance to a building may not belong at the library to begion with if they can't figure the basics of entering a structure. Give people some credit, although judging from these comments, maybe you are correct after all. This is supposed to be a city, it is going to have its peculiarities. Focus on what is important, which is helping people and being constructive. That is what makes a community worth living in, not finger pointing.
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September 1, 2009 | 3:36 PM
To many of the commenters: The homeless in our metropolis do not migrate here in significant numbers; they BECOME homeless, here. Homelessness is a problem for many reasons, certainly including the facts that many 'fall out' of a normal life status [if I can call it that] because of addictions. [& btw, crystal meth is a relatively new drug that is highly, powerfully addicting] Mentally ill people who should be getting help are abandoned on the street and are left to their own devises to survive. An outreach program that VOA had was one of the first to get killed off when the economy tanked.

I am extremely critical of Loaves & Fishes, but not because they are somehow the source of homelessness in our metropolis, but because they enable and entrap the homeless and are an obstacle for people trying to climb out of being impoverished. And it is downright scary how very very sure I am becoming that I am right about this.
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September 1, 2009 | 5:41 PM
You're so right about Loaves & Fishes enabling the homeless ad naseum. This is not Africa or Southeast Asia where there is real poverty and starvation. How many people in America die from starvation every year? Most of our neediest are 20 pounds or more overweight! Our homeless are enabled and learn how to work the system from misguided homeless advocates. It's a disgrace and the City of Sacramento needs to stand up to Loaves & Fishes and the fringe nutjob activists. The vast majority of us are fed up with this ridiculous media circus.
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edited on  September 2, 2009 | 8:23 AM
Oracle! I agree with everything you wrote! NOBODY could possibly starve with all the services for food in Sacramento. The irony is, however, that here in the Central Valley many will have to go without vegetables! But, boy howdy, we homeless get bodacious amounts of pastries and cakes and sugar and other carbs given to us. So, like the metropolis's general population, the homeless are, on average, greatly overweight. [Bakery goods go stale quickly, thus they get passed to Loaves & Fishes in enormous quantities. My effort to get the homeless involved in gleaning vegetables was rejected by Sr. Libby.]

Re Loaves & Fishes and looney-tunes politics and our terrible local media, INDEED! The local media helped to report all the misinfomation stemming from Tent City last spring, that has given our city the reputation as being anti-business. THAT is a disgrace. The Bee was once brave and mighty; today it is a rag. The "Safe Ground movement" is led by Cathleen April Williams and others who are keen on the People's Tribune [ peoplestribune.org ] which is a communist publication. I kid you not; they want the overthrow of capitalism as a means to aid the peasant class. It's 1917 all over again at Loaves & Fishes. If it wasn't so overwhelmingly foolish [and igmorant of the central lesson of the 20th Century] it might approach being scary. [See http://sacramentohomeless.blogspot.com/2009/08/common-ground-on-safe-ground-common.html ]
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edited on  September 2, 2009 | 11:37 AM
Oracle, your words dig you a hole, which you dig deeper and deeper and get in, out of touch with reality and call others "fringe nutjobs."

Tom, you're right, "it is downright scary how very very sure I am becoming that I am right about this."

If the discussion could be held with valid concerns and minus dehumanizing and demonizing others, Sacramento would be that much closer to real civic solutions.
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September 2, 2009 | 11:59 AM
Marion,

It isn't liberal nor progressives that are in charge of Loaves & Fishes' agenda anymore, it is the totalitarians. Oracle was being too delicate; they're beyond the fringe. [That is, those that are policymakers.] And they don't "represent" the homeless, they leach upon them. The homeless, themselves, fly American flags from the back of their bicycles.

Loaves & Fishes is headquarters for dehumanizaton. I have to say things have improved in some areas, but you still have parent->child transaction mode; enabling and entrapping policies; lines & queues without end; and the politics of endless whining and seeing everything that L&F wants for the homeless as demand for "a civil right." Too, the homeless-help industry in this city isn't competative, it's united in entrenching itself, collectively.
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September 1, 2009 | 9:13 PM
I Think having L&F's so close to downtown and midtown is directly related to how many homeless stay in and around our fair city. The program seems sound, but if you really want to handle the homeless hangin around town how about moving L&F's out from nearby downtown and into the outskirts of a commercial part of town. That would still allow the homless the benefits from L&F's and wouldnt be seeing the numbers of homeless wandering around downtown and midtown. Just my opinion.
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September 3, 2009 | 9:11 AM
TAB: Loaves & Fishes is in a commercial part of town--its nearest neighbors are produce warehouses and other industrial uses. The problem with locating homeless services in remote parts of town is that they become impossible to reach by public transit, which makes them effectively useless.
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September 2, 2009 | 7:23 AM
Homeless? What homeless? All we see are drunks, derelicts, bums and crazies.
I'm glad that the library removed the benches, they can simmer in their juices half a block over at wino park.
We hated having to fend off their aggressive begging, smells, whenever we went to visit the library.
BTW this is how the rest of the area views downtown, an area filled with miscreants via public transportation, confusing streets, terrible parking, and bums.
We need a bloomberg style cleanup.

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September 2, 2009 | 11:51 AM
Good idea: lets get rid of public transportation, close our amazingly confusing straight, grid style streets, and close all parking spaces and dispose of the homeless. Are you having trouble finding the "other" library entrance too? If you get rid of public transportation, what do you think the parking problem will be like? if you are driving, you are part of the problem and cannot complain about parkingwithout being a hypocrite.
As far as the " rest of the area" and their opinions- although I don't see any evidence to back this statement whatsoever. what would you prefer,? downtown more closely resembling Natomas, Granite Bay or that hotspot known as Elk Grove? Sprawl is much better than a treelined city. Now we can all go to Linens and Things whenever we want and then maybe some crummy chain restaurant. Now that's progress.
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September 2, 2009 | 8:16 AM
I'm not a cold hearted neo-con, I just believe in the principles of "leave no trace" and radical self reliance and I don't have a savior/codependent complex. I've worked at homeless sheltered/missions and have had close friends who been homeless. I live in Midtown and see and interact with homeless almost on a daliy bases. Reasons for homelessness is not the issue. Yes we should do more to help those who really want help, however, people do not have the right to "day camp" just anywhere they please. Don't I have the right to sit on a public bench that doesn't stink of human urine? Don't I have the right to live in a clean community? Don't I have the right to throw my garage in the city bin and not have someone come along and dig through it, spewing bits on the ground? No one has the right to make their problems everyone elses. Why is it that we won't accept someone's anti-social behavior negatively effecting our quality of life if that person has a job and money but will accept if that person is homeless?

BTW I hope thoses benches stay in the Downtown/Midtown area.
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September 2, 2009 | 11:43 AM
Markes: It is a very very small portion of the homeless that do the things you describe. And those people are the mentally ill or ones purposefully killing themselves with their addictions, that society has abandoned to the streets following a Supreme Court decision on how government/psychiatrists were incarcerating people in asylums inappropriately.

The matters that you bring up should be dealt with aggressively, but they should certainly also be dealt with *specifically* and, because this is a matter of people who are in a deathspiral, humanely and compassionately.
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September 2, 2009 | 2:24 PM
What proof do you have that it is a small portion? I would say that from my experience it the majority- the exception are those that don't. And don't believe that "society has abandoned" them ..quite the reverse ...rather it's the majority of the homeless that have abandoned Society. There are programs out there for people who are in a 'deathspiral' or in need of help.
Most homelessdon't want real help -at least not if it anyway restricts their "lifestyle". Most have burn all their bridges so they have no family support. Thats Ok by me. ...but don't lay a false guilt trip on rest of us. If the supporters of homeless want to be their savior -more power to them...but don't demand everyone to follow and don't try to make us out to be cold hearted bastards if we don't. I know better.
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September 2, 2009 | 3:12 PM
Most homeless are not bums, most bums are homeless.
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September 4, 2009 | 7:58 PM
The homeless aren't *that* unclean, Markes. Of course, they'd be cleaner if Loaves & Fishes' wash house was open on weekends and if Loaves & Fishes didn't have sudden closures without notice, or if people had access to their lockers after 2:30pm on weekdays or at all on weekends. But, L&F is stockpiling money, rather than spending in on services, having dramatic events to spur donations instead of doing their job.

When I say society has "abandoned" them, I mean social services don't help the neediest. We went from instant asylums for the mentally ill, to ignoring them altogether; one end of the sprectum to the other. In more recent history, VOA axed its outreach program first thing. It's most important program was the first thing cut. I'm not putting a guilt trip on you, Markes. What I am is highly critical of how the homeless-help industry misuses money and stockpiles money.

I think, and have written often, that the citizens of Sacramento are magnificent! My complaint is that the homeless-help industry in this town is highly unworthy of the citizenry and the mostly wonderful people who are homeless in this metropolis.
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